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Northern Neighbour

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Since the off-season drags at times, I thought we could experiment with a thread of random questions. It's not pick'em in the gambling sense, but rather I'll pose a question and people choose between a two or more options. Explanations are not required but would help. The point is also to get some discussion going.

First question:

Between Delon Wright and Fred VanVleet, which PG would you keep long-term and develop as the team's lead guard of the future?
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Haha. Start with something I just can’t pick between. It’s going to be up to each of them. Fred has been great at seizing every opportunity. Delon needs to do that more, and if he can provide more of a consistent high-impact presence then he’s probably the guy. But Fred can get even better as well. If they can both push each other constantly then we’ve a dream scenario.
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I could only choose with a gun to my head to be honest, and I'd probably go wright. What makes it tough is that I think fred is more likely to end up the better player, while wright has a smaller chance to be a much better player. And even if fred ends up better, wright would still be close behind.
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I think Delon has more potential upside. Whether or not he’ll be able to stay healthy long enough to attain that is the question. I have serious concerns about his career longevity because of his shoulder. On the other hand, FVV has seized every opportunity afforded him. While his upside isn’t as high imo, I think long term he’d be more durable and consistent. He won’t make the spectacular plays, but FVV would probably be my choice. Make no mistake, I love Delon and if it could somehow be guaranteed that his shoulder issue is behind him, then and ONLY then, would Delon be my pick.
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Can't go wrong with either one, and I agree with much what has been said. Wright has more athleticism, and his physical attributes, namely his height and length, make him really intriguing. He has All-NBA defence potential while offensively can be a solid guy like Alvin Williams and maybe better. FVV is a tough SOB and oozes intangibles that you cannot teach. He's demonstrated he's a quick learner and a leader. He likely won't post great stats and won't be an advanced stats guy (his overall offensive and defensive ratings are so-so), but he's a plus-minus darling, demonstrating that his value goes beyond the stat sheet.

It's difficult to pick one, but if I had to I would probably lean towards Wright due to his versatility, improving shot, and his all-defence potential.
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I think you can go wrong with either one, as there's a chance both could end up not being good enough to be starters...

However, of course, I love both. To me, freddie has the best chance to be a starter. He's got the more rounded game, and can hit 3s. Wright's biggest advantage is obviously his D, but freddie scraps so hard on D that he negates some of that.

So I'd go with him when we lose lowry; but would be MORE than happy with keeping both, and play plenty of both at same time. If freddie becomes a sniper from 3, the two of them in tandem could be sick...
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Second question:

Which two of the three big men would you keep - Serge Ibaka, Jonas Valunciunas, or Jakob Poeltl?
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Second question:

Which two of the three big men would you keep - Serge Ibaka, Jonas Valunciunas, or Jakob Poeltl?


JV, Poeltl
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Since the off-season drags at times, I thought we could experiment with a thread of random questions. It's not pick'em in the gambling sense, but rather I'll pose a question and people choose between a two or more options. Explanations are not required but would help. The point is also to get some discussion going.

First question:

Between Delon Wright and Fred VanVleet, which PG would you keep long-term and develop as the team's lead guard of the future?


Wright
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Second question:

Which two of the three big men would you keep - Serge Ibaka, Jonas Valunciunas, or Jakob Poeltl?

easy choice, jv and jp
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Second question:

Which two of the three big men would you keep - Serge Ibaka, Jonas Valunciunas, or Jakob Poeltl?


Depends on the return. I'd be most reticent to move JV, but mostly because he's way better than Ibaka and will have similar (read: none) trade value.

Poeltl could be part of a package to actually get something.

While Ibaka is obviously the guy you least care about keeping, but it's hard to envision him returning anything in trade.
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Second question:

Which two of the three big men would you keep - Serge Ibaka, Jonas Valunciunas, or Jakob Poeltl?


Easy. JV and JP, ship Ibaka for whatever - addition by subtraction kind of trade IMO.
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Wright


FVV. I like Wright but he is more of a combo guard.
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Might have been better to say "which ONE of our big men do you REALLY want to keep..."

I thibk poeltl might become a VERY good defensive player, but have doubts he'll ever develop more than the really good hands around the bucket.

JV is still improving his defence AND has developed a 3pt shot.

I've been meaning to ask people, but stopped myself as it's so far away and there's SO many other decisions before that; but what do we think JV's next contract might be?
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Might have been better to say "which ONE of our big men do you REALLY want to keep..."

I thibk poeltl might become a VERY good defensive player, but have doubts he'll ever develop more than the really good hands around the bucket.

JV is still improving his defence AND has developed a 3pt shot.

I've been meaning to ask people, but stopped myself as it's so far away and there's SO many other decisions before that; but what do we think JV's next contract might be?


I think JV's next deal will be roughly the same since he'll be 26 and likely will have a more well-rounded game. The cap should rise to around $108M to $110M by next off-season (if he opts out) or at least by the 2020 off-season.

In terms of the three, I would take JV and Poeltl as well. If just one of them, that's tough. Poeltl is younger, cheaper, and more mobile, but lacks the physicality, toughness, and overall offensive ability to play a lot of minutes. JV lags in the mobility department, but he's by far the superior rebounder and offensive player. As you mentioned, he's 3-point shot has come along and his defensive play is much better than before. Not great, but more than serviceable. The other issue with JV is his injury history - he's liable to miss several games a year. Tough call.
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