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DanH

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The main issue is, you've put together a team with middling long term prospects and frankly not all that much talent right now. And in the meantime you've depleted the team of first round draft picks.

If you are going to be sending out first rounders, you'd better be getting good talent.
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How about we let the Lakers take Aldridge, and then we trade Lowry to them for a package of Randle and clarkson. 
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1.
GSW get PP + JJ + Ross + 1st Clippers 2017 + tpe (Novak for barnes)
Toronto get Lee + Barnes

we take on 7M of our capspace.

2.
Orlando get Lou (S&t: 24M/3yrs) + Ross + 1st tor 2016
Toronto get Gordon + O'Quinn (S&t : 20M/4yrs) + Hezonja

we take 8M more off our capspace

3.
sign amir a 1 + 1yr deal at 10M
sign De Colo to a 2yr/5M.




KL/DW/De Colo
DD/Gordon/NP
Barnes/Hezonja/Bruno
Lee/Amir/Daniels
JV/O'Quinn/bébé

Gordon and lee would come out off the books next summer, which would give us 20M more in capspace.
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This is a small move but can address some of the Raptors needs.

Toronto receives:
G. Dieng(C): $1.5m
C. Budinger(SF): $5m

Minnesota receives:
L. Nogueira: $1.85m
James Johnson: $2.5m
C.J. McCollum: $2.5m

Portland receives:
Terrence Ross: $3.5m



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaddrik
1.
GSW get PP + JJ + Ross + 1st Clippers 2017 + tpe (Novak for barnes)
Toronto get Lee + Barnes

we take on 7M of our capspace.

2.
Orlando get Lou (S&t: 24M/3yrs) + Ross + 1st tor 2016
Toronto get Gordon + O'Quinn (S&t : 20M/4yrs) + Hezonja

we take 8M more off our capspace

3.
sign amir a 1 + 1yr deal at 10M
sign De Colo to a 2yr/5M.




KL/DW/De Colo
DD/Gordon/NP
Barnes/Hezonja/Bruno
Lee/Amir/Daniels
JV/O'Quinn/bébé

Gordon and lee would come out off the books next summer, which would give us 20M more in capspace.


You can't trade a TPE or mix it with player.
Lou is not ours he's a UFA, why would they not just sign him.
Why would the GSW ever make that trade.
Why would the Magic make that trade.
It has to be close to realistic Bankiz.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaddrik

1.
GSW get PP + JJ + Ross + 1st Clippers 2017 + tpe (Novak for barnes)
Toronto get Lee + Barnes

we take on 7M of our capspace.

2.
Orlando get Lou (S&t: 24M/3yrs) + Ross + 1st tor 2016
Toronto get Gordon + O'Quinn (S&t : 20M/4yrs) + Hezonja

we take 8M more off our capspace

3.
sign amir a 1 + 1yr deal at 10M
sign De Colo to a 2yr/5M.


KL/DW/De Colo
DD/Gordon/NP
Barnes/Hezonja/Bruno
Lee/Amir/Daniels
JV/O'Quinn/bébé

Gordon and lee would come out off the books next summer, which would give us 20M more in capspace.


You can't trade a TPE or mix it with player.
Lou is not ours he's a UFA, why would they not just sign him.
Why would the GSW ever make that trade.
Why would the Magic make that trade.
It has to be close to realistic Bankiz.



shit i didn't know any of those things...
first, you can use the tpe to absorb a contract in a trade. isn't it what i did ? OG, no, it is !!!
for LOU, it's why i put a S&T !
For GSW: because they create capspace, and get good value for Lee, maybe a little low ball for barnes, but we take the big salarie

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You used the TPE just fine.  But the point stands - if Orlando could just sign Lou outright (and they can), why would they give up a top pick for him?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaddrik
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaddrik

1.
GSW get PP + JJ + Ross + 1st Clippers 2017 + tpe (Novak for barnes)
Toronto get Lee + Barnes

we take on 7M of our capspace.

2.
Orlando get Lou (S&t: 24M/3yrs) + Ross + 1st tor 2016
Toronto get Gordon + O'Quinn (S&t : 20M/4yrs) + Hezonja

we take 8M more off our capspace

3.
sign amir a 1 + 1yr deal at 10M
sign De Colo to a 2yr/5M.


KL/DW/De Colo
DD/Gordon/NP
Barnes/Hezonja/Bruno
Lee/Amir/Daniels
JV/O'Quinn/bébé

Gordon and lee would come out off the books next summer, which would give us 20M more in capspace.


You can't trade a TPE or mix it with player.
Lou is not ours he's a UFA, why would they not just sign him.
Why would the GSW ever make that trade.
Why would the Magic make that trade.
It has to be close to realistic Bankiz.



shit i didn't know any of those things...
first, you can use the tpe to absorb a contract in a trade. isn't it what i did ? OG, no, it is !!!
for LOU, it's why i put a S&T !
For GSW: because they create capspace, and get good value for Lee, maybe a little low ball for barnes, but we take the big salarie

no thanks to keeping Lou on the books and miss out on that much room. No way I even think of that.
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not gonna happen but i'd love some kind of 3way deal with Sac/LA since Lakers getting crapped on in free agency they prob feeling the pressure.

 Something like DD shipped to lakers, JV to Sac, Cousins to raps. Picks/spare parts obv added in, too but that would be the cusp of the deal, prob gonna have to throw more to Sac. Gonna likely have to give up some valuable pick.

 pipe dream, fo sho. one of the few ways id part with DD tho. I think it would still leave room for Matthews.
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Some ideas.

Patterson to Magic for a lotto protected 1st.  They wanted him last year and he's on a cap friendly contract for the next two years.  That clears 14M in cap room even with Ridnour still on the roster.

Then sign Matthews for 14M starting salary (15M per year just like Carroll). 

Then trade Ross, James Johnson and Ridnour along with our 2016 1st rounder and LAC's 2017 1st rounder for Kenneth Faried and Gary Harris.  They can waive Ridnour, and JJ and Ross are expirings (with Ross being an RFA if they choose to keep him).  Fill out roster with Chuck Hayes for the min, Tyler Hansbrough for the room MLE, sign Powell and Daniels for the minimum, and sign a vet PG for the minimum.

Leaves us with:

Lowry/Wright/Vet
DeRozan/Harris/Powell
Carroll/Matthews/Bruno
Faried/Hansbrough/Daniels
JV/BeBe/Hayes

Ideally that Ross/JJ/Ridnour deal is used to get Favors instead (say with our 2016 and 2017 picks plus the Clippers pick going their way).  But I think that's a pipedream.  We end up with a slightly shallow frontcourt, but knowing Casey we'll see some Carroll there anyway.  And a very solid wing rotation.
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@DanH : pretty good trade !!!


We use our capspace to absorb :
Houston get TPE (for Beverley) + TPE (for D-mo) + Ridnour + 1st tor 2016
Toronto get Beverley(S&t: 22M/3yrs) + T Jones + D-Mo

we grab for 11M in contracts, houston get 11M more to spend.


KL/Berverley/DW
DD/Ross/NP
DC/JJ/Bruno
TJ/PP/Daniels
JV/D-Mo/Bébé


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I'm on board for this if it should fall from heaven--but, it won't.  There's no reason for Houston to trade Patrick Beverley or Terence Jones.  They are both very good players that fill significant roles on the team.  Nice to think about, but ain't gonna happen.
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Hi guys.

I was just peaking at the knicks' website and the front seems devoid of Kristaps Porzingis, their lotto pick from this year. One would think they'd be pimping him, wouldn't they? Anyway... you're probably all aware of their lacklustre free agency thus far. They have money noone (allstar calibre, that is) seems to want to take. so here's the trade idea:

Knicks get Lowry.
Raptors get Kristaps Porzingis (and a $10MM TPE).

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PS: someone may have posted this already, I saw it on realgm, it was posted as an actual deal happening but was locked:
Lowry to Philly
JV to Boston
Smart and Noel to Toronto
there were some picks/money involved, iirc, maybe another minor piece/filler, but that's the gist of it
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Philly would never trade for a near-30 year old PG.
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OK, really big fun one here.

With there being rumours of the Heat being interested in LMA, you'd think they have to move Bosh, right? Maybe they are regretting that deal?

I hadn't considered that Miami might move Bosh. I imagine it would be necessary to involve Portland in a sign and trade, but if the Raptors could jump in as a third party and get Bosh - that would be amazing. He'd fit perfectly on this team. This team is basically what Colangelo failed to put around Bosh when he was here.

It would be really hard to manage though, as Miami would have to get clear of the tax apron to participate in a sign and trade. They just signed Wade and Dragic to a total of 35.5M. Add that to their 56.5M of committed salary and you get 92M. If the cap is 69M, the hard cap will be about 88M. So the sign and trade needs to get them below that. Let's assume they run a full 15 man lineup, and currently they sit at 12 players. Add Justise Winslow at 2.5M. That's 13 players, at 94.5M. Then add two vet min deals, 1.9M total. 96.4M. So they would need to shed 8.5M of cap in a sign and trade. Plus 950k for every roster spot they open up (as we assume they will maintain a 15 man roster with minimum deals).

We have about 10.6M in cap room, and Bosh makes 22.2M. If Aldridge signs for the max that will be 19.5M (so they clear 2.7M right there). That means they need to send out players worth 5.8M plus 950k for each player. Candidates: Chalmers (4.3M), Josh McRoberts (5.45M), Luol Deng (10.15M).

Deng seems the obvious choice - with Winslow coming in and his expiring deal, seems easy to move and easy to replace. And that way they keep their forward and guard depth. Let's go with Deng. And that also gives them a little leeway to absorb a contract back in the deal.

So MIA out - Deng (10.15M), Bosh (22.2M)
MIA in - LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M), James Johnson (2.5M), 10.25M TPE

TOR out - James Johnson (2.5M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st
TOR in - Chris Bosh

POR out - SnT LaMarcus Aldridge (19.5M)
POR in - Luol Deng (10.15M), Patrick Patterson (6.27M), Terrence Ross (3.55M), TOR 2016 1st, LAC 2017 1st

MIA gets to sign Aldridge, and gets a cheap backup 3 to support Winslow, while divesting themselves of the Deng contract (that they were hoping he would opt out of). POR gets a very nice return for their departing superstar (especially considering he is UFA) - a replacement PF signed to a nice deal, a young guard, a veteran expiring wing to replace Batum short term, and two first rounders. Should help with starting again around Lillard while still remaining competitive in the West right away. And Toronto gets Chris Bosh to play between a shooting, defending and rebounding 3, a true low post, rim protecting and rebounding C, and with two all stars in the backcourt. The bench ends up being filled out with young guys and minimum deals, but that's a heck of a starting lineup.

I can't believe I actually got it to work. Huh.
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