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MikeToronto
DocHolliday wrote:


You're happy to swirl around the gutter for years with the odds stacked against the Raps with finding a generational talent in the draft?


It’s all about what you want to achieve. If the goal is a roster actually capable of contending for years to come - yes. You don’t just build to that, unfortunately, and the current run should have proven it to everyone by now.
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DocHolliday
MikeToronto wrote:
It’s all about what you want to achieve. If the goal is a roster actually capable of contending for years to come - yes. You don’t just build to that, unfortunately, and the current run should have proven it to everyone by now.


What Boston has done after the PP/KG era should tell you that you don't need to do that; don't need to swirl in the gutter with the odds stacked against you in the draft.  Every team outside the Rockets, Warriors and whatever team LeBron is on are in the same boat as the Raptors.  Should they all tank?  Deliberately lose?  How is this competitive sports?  What if just 5 teams tank for years?  Ugh - just makes my stomach churn.
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MikeToronto
DocHolliday wrote:


What Boston has done after the PP/KG era should tell you that you don't need to do that; don't need to swirl in the gutter with the odds stacked against you in the draft.  Every team outside the Rockets, Warriors and whatever team LeBron is on are in the same boat as the Raptors.  Should they all tank?  Deliberately lose?  How is this competitive sports?  What if just 5 teams tank for years?  Ugh - just makes my stomach churn.


What’s with you guys and tanking? If you can get high draft picks for your vets like Ainge has managed to do - by all means, do that. All I am saying is that you won’t build a contender in Toronto without using at least 2-3 high draft picks extremely well.
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LKeet6
MikeToronto wrote:
What’s with you guys and tanking? If you can get high draft picks for your vets like Ainge has managed to do - by all means, do that. All I am saying is that you won’t build a contender in Toronto without using at least 2-3 high draft picks extremely well.


nothing we can trade will get us multiple very high picks; so really, you pretty much are talking about tanking...
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DocHolliday
MikeToronto wrote:
What’s with you guys and tanking? If you can get high draft picks for your vets like Ainge has managed to do - by all means, do that. All I am saying is that you won’t build a contender in Toronto without using at least 2-3 high draft picks extremely well.


The issue is there are zero guarantees that you'll get those high picks and even if you do, no guarantee you'll get that superstar talent.  I don't mind moving the stars, have the youth to play and then draft well but there is no need to deliberately tank for years.  Look at the Warriors, they weren't very good but drafted well... and really, only 2 decent picks were needed (Klay - 11th, Curry 7th), Dray in the 2nd and Iggy, Durant signed there.  Boston took advantage of the core and traded them to a desperate Nets team looking to cut corners with a proper rebuild.   


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Northern Neighbour
MikeToronto wrote:


This is why I have issues with your responses to my posts. I am talking about a possibility of a rebuild while LeBron is playing out whatever is left of his career. You are responding by saying he is one in a generation. WTF?


I respond this way because despite all the evidence you continue to push this loser line of thinking (I’m not calling you a loser just saying tanking is, well, a loser mentality). Tanking guarantees nothing. Absolutely nothing other than losing for years. As others have mentioned, particularly Doc, it took an immensely desperate team for the Celtics to get the picks they have. For the past 2-3 off-seasons, there have been numerous reports of how GMs don’t want to deal multiple draft picks for veterans, learning from the Nets-Celtics trade and Toronto’s deal with the Knicks for Bargnani. Teams are no longer that stupid and are applying all sorts of conditions on draft picks.

Even though Boston has all these picks, none of them have developed into All-Stars yet anyway. They’ve had to go outside the organization to sign or trade for them. As such, not even Boston has used the Draft to rebuild their team.
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