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Northern Neighbour wrote:


I'm actually ok with alternating Ibaka and Gasol. I was just adding to Dan's point, and he wrote a great article as to why Gasol should be playing more with the starters. Regardless who starts in the playoffs, it's imperative that Nurse play Gasol with Lowry, Green, Leonard, and Siakam more in the final 20 games so they can develop chemistry. So far, he has fit in. The Lowry-Gasol and Leonard-Gasol P&Rs have been lethal in a small sample size. 

When FVV returns and with the addition of Lin (he's been very good), Ibaka should still be able to perform well with the 2nd unit. His improved defensive rebounding, in particular, would be a plus with the bench guys, who often get abused on the glass since they're undersized. And should Nurse opt to keep at least one of Lowry, Leonard, or Siakam on the court with the bench, then there will be enough playmakers and distributors to offset Ibaka's lack of creativity.

Finally, I disagree with MM's notion that Nurse could experiment with lineups in the final month. The next 20 games should be about setting the rotation and cementing roles and minutes allocation (agreeing with your point about rotations). The only position that could have some "flux" is, as mentioned, the C spot, so that Gasol can develop chemistry with the other four starters and Ibaka gets comfortable playing with Lin, etc. (and this latter point is also quite important). 


Yeah agreed. Though I think there can be some flux or experimentation in how games are finished. And in that sense I would hope that could equate to possible adjustments that could be needed in the playoffs from game to game. I do agree that not much experimentation should take place that could muddy the waters - none of the winging it type of experiments in search of something, but rather experiments guided by good things that have happened in games with hopes to harness that in clutch time. Maybe “experiment” is not the best word in that case, but it could be appropriate if it is based on evidence that is more in the moment than gleaning from any kind of wider effect. That sort of switching things up a bit could prove really helpful as a means of condensing information that they would otherwise lack given the short time of having this mix of players.
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moremilk
elT wrote:


LeBron didn't start the hype train, he 'capitalized' on it by adding his two cents "the beauty of playing for Brad Stevens" which were echoed over and over again. Smooth PR move by him. The hype was started by media and it was mainly fueled by Cetlcs' consistent overachievement in their rebuild and vivid imagination of what the already good team will be once all those BKN picks are cached in on.

I've maintained that Brad is a good coach with a chance to be all time great given what he has shown and how young he is. Seems like he'll be employed for a long time and that should allow him to experience and grow and develop and evolve and build a track record. He is 42, could coach for another 30 years if health serves him, that alone would make him an all time great coach. He has been really good at identifying and maximizing strengths of his team and suitable style of play. His teams play both ends of the floor consistently and guys like playing for him. His game management is often pristine, often saving bad late game possessions with timely timeouts and well designed and prepared ATO plays. He obviously puts an emphasis on ATOs, been reported that he drills the shit out of those and adds good tweaks in the process. And he seems to have a very calming effect on his team.

I think he has obviously benefited from having mostly high character guys over the years whose goals have been naturally aligned and it wasn't as big of a challenge to get them on the same page. This year, completely the opposite and he doesn't seem to be the right coach for this particular group - which isn't a knock on him, the group might not be fixable given Kyrie's delusional immaturity and obvious existential questions for some of their young guys and FAs.

Think he might be having a down year on his own, which is nothing strange. He had an amazing one last year but that's the thing, it is hard to maintain that and it is also why we need a huge sample size to evaluate coaches.

My anti hype stance has not been anti Brad Stevens, it has been anti-hype/anti-media. Surely, some of that spills out on Brad, some collateral damage, sorry, not sorry, it is the internets and in words of LX - we're all fairly anonymous assholes- I don't have to carry the burden of constant precision.
I've repeatedly warned that the same media that prematurely declares him the unquestionable GOAT will turn on him with same ferocity when shit hits the fan. And it has begun with Boston's struggles this year. And if they face an early exit in the playoffs? Like first round to Sixers or second round to Raptors/Bucks? Boy oh boy, fireworks.

If you want to know where I rank him?
Tier of his own - Pop
Tier 2: Spo, Carlisle, Kerr, Doc
Tier 3: Bud, Stotts, Casey, Stevens, Snyder, MDA, McMilan



fair enough, can't argue with that - can't say that's the vibe I always got from your comments, but I'm full agreement with it.

I think Stevens' job is safe no matter what though - and losing to the sixers or the raptors is no shame. The only way I could see him being canned is if a. Kyrie says he only stays if Brad is fired and b. Davis commits to them if Kyrie stays.

Kyrie by himself is not enough to sacrifice stevens, but add AD to the bargain and I could see them do it. At the end of the day, it's easier to get a coach like stevens than a player like AD.

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elT
moremilk wrote:


fair enough, can't argue with that - can't say that's the vibe I always got from your comments, but I'm full agreement with it.

I think Stevens' job is safe no matter what though - and losing to the sixers or the raptors is no shame. The only way I could see him being canned is if a. Kyrie says he only stays if Brad is fired and b. Davis commits to them if Kyrie stays.

Kyrie by himself is not enough to sacrifice stevens, but add AD to the bargain and I could see them do it. At the end of the day, it's easier to get a coach like stevens than a player like AD.



Oh I get the vibe often sent out by my comments, it is what it is, my reactions to over the top hype are over the top on their own. Newton, action, equal and opposite reaction and all that.

Don't think there's any chance he gets fired. The fireworks I referred to were about media attacking him when the opportunity comes. Seeing how Boston fans are already starting to heavily criticize and even blame him, it might not bee too far into the future when media picks up on that pulse and capitalizes on it. It is what they do, it is all some of them do.
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Northern Neighbour
elT wrote:


LeBron didn't start the hype train, he 'capitalized' on it by adding his two cents "the beauty of playing for Brad Stevens" which were echoed over and over again. Smooth PR move by him. The hype was started by media and it was mainly fueled by Cetlcs' consistent overachievement in their rebuild and vivid imagination of what the already good team will be once all those BKN picks are cached in on.

I've maintained that Brad is a good coach with a chance to be all time great given what he has shown and how young he is. Seems like he'll be employed for a long time and that should allow him to experience and grow and develop and evolve and build a track record. He is 42, could coach for another 30 years if health serves him, that alone would make him an all time great coach. He has been really good at identifying and maximizing strengths of his team and suitable style of play. His teams play both ends of the floor consistently and guys like playing for him. His game management is often pristine, often saving bad late game possessions with timely timeouts and well designed and prepared ATO plays. He obviously puts an emphasis on ATOs, been reported that he drills the shit out of those and adds good tweaks in the process. And he seems to have a very calming effect on his team.

I think he has obviously benefited from having mostly high character guys over the years whose goals have been naturally aligned and it wasn't as big of a challenge to get them on the same page. This year, completely the opposite and he doesn't seem to be the right coach for this particular group - which isn't a knock on him, the group might not be fixable given Kyrie's delusional immaturity and obvious existential questions for some of their young guys and FAs.

Think he might be having a down year on his own, which is nothing strange. He had an amazing one last year but that's the thing, it is hard to maintain that and it is also why we need a huge sample size to evaluate coaches.

My anti hype stance has not been anti Brad Stevens, it has been anti-hype/anti-media. Surely, some of that spills out on Brad, some collateral damage, sorry, not sorry, it is the internets and in words of LX - we're all fairly anonymous assholes- I don't have to carry the burden of constant precision.
I've repeatedly warned that the same media that prematurely declares him the unquestionable GOAT will turn on him with same ferocity when shit hits the fan. And it has begun with Boston's struggles this year. And if they face an early exit in the playoffs? Like first round to Sixers or second round to Raptors/Bucks? Boy oh boy, fireworks.

If you want to know where I rank him?
Tier of his own - Pop
Tier 2: Spo, Carlisle, Kerr, Doc
Tier 3: Bud, Stotts, Casey, Stevens, Snyder, MDA, McMilan








You actually put Doc Rivers in Tier 2? 
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elT
Northern Neighbour wrote:


You actually put Doc Rivers in Tier 2? 


Yeah, think people are confusing his president role and coach role. He was really bad in dual role, that painted him unfairly as a coach. But he has been doing this thing for a long time, almost 20 years, 846W,  .576% and a championship with Boston with a team that in retrospect doesn't look like it was easy to coach at all.

Since he was relieved of dual role, he has done a really good job with transitional Clippers roster. They play hard and have fun and are winning at a decent rate and doing it in the West which has one bad team and one horrible team and rest are tough out on any night.
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