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elT
I was only half awake and at 10% of brain capacity for first quarter and first half of second quarter. Aside from ugly ass court, I managed to perceive a lot of settling for threes, some stupid turnovers, risky pressure defense. Teams are now prepared for our tricks, time to readjust and re-calibrate overall strategy on both ends. Interesting to see how this goes.
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JeffB
moremilk wrote:


Um, yeah ... Don't you?

Kind of a big talent gap between the Clippers and the nets.


We barely beat the Bulls
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elT
I agree with NN that Lowry needs to be used differently. Not just for the sake of present results but future as well and forcing Siakam into becoming #1 option in full. I didn't get the feeling NN is blaming Lowry and labeling him a culprit or wanting him gone, just pointing out the changed nature of the team and geometry on offense. Putting Siakam in primary ball handler position on every possession not only puts him in favorable spot but inverts the entire floor, something that few teams are equipped to handle. Furthermore, this allows Lowry to be opportunistic and conserve energy which should help with his defense. For the past few years, he has had a tendency to save energy on defense which often made him look like the weak link on that end. He turns it on in playoffs like when he shut down Beal few years ago against Wizards in first round. His defense was also really good last year in playoffs.

I don't think Lowry has slowed down, lost a step or anything. Age seems to be kind to him but it is obvious he doesn't have the same kind of energy he had before when he could handle intense two way play. Cutting his minutes and easing the ball handling burden should help him in that regard, it would be good for Siakam and the team and Lowry would still be able to go nuts on occasion with his KLOE stuff. And it would help him be in better shape come playoffs where we'll need more from everyone given the minutes and shorten rotations there and the fact we don't have a Kawhi just yet.
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3forthewin
This team was so much fun to watch when Lowry and Ibaka were out. Let the kids play and ship them out for some more kids. 
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7shikamaru7
I am not blaming Lowry and Ibaka's return as the reason for their recent losing skid. But basketball is all about mental toughness. I think it's safe to say that everyone in the NBA can flat out shoot. There is something about having them back that messes with the heads of the other guys. "I need to make this or Lowry will come in for me", "I need to make the right plays or else Ibaka will sub in for me". All those possessions that could've gone to Siakam, RHJ (near the basket of course), or even Boucher are all being taken away because of their presence. I think the team needs to reset and talk about the priority in making plays.

Personally, I think it's...Siakam - FVV - Lowry - OG - Gasol

Siakam should get touches in the post or let him create on his own in the perimeter.

FVV should run pick and rolls/pops with Gasol and let him decide what he wants to do.

Lowry should drive to the rim looking for fouls or a spot up shooter to FVV, he needs to have the shooting guard mentality.

OG is a spot up shooter and just go for boards.

Gasol should just take whatever the defense gives him.

We seem to have lost our purpose in playing. 
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Raptorman
My Raptors flag is hanging upside down. ðŸ˜“
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JeffB
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LX

elT wrote:
I was only half awake and at 10% of brain capacity for first quarter and first half of second quarter. Aside from ugly ass court, I managed to perceive a lot of settling for threes, some stupid turnovers, risky pressure defense. Teams are now prepared for our tricks, time to readjust and re-calibrate overall strategy on both ends. Interesting to see how this goes.


this is exactly where my thoughts lied when it was all done. You ticked all my boxes, even at 10% of brain capacity (likely due to that since it would come closer to where my brain operates at 100%).

other than that i have since wondered if Fred is going to be somewhat essential to the role Lowry needs to fill. And mostly I am just happy with that little ceremony - especially the footprints projected onto the court in order to relive the shot. I do so love that shot, and always will. I would marry the shot if I wasn’t already married, but of course everyone would, so polygamy might become fashionable. We all should have married the shot to end the whole ceremony, with Kawhi presiding like a modern day Sun Myung Moon. Missed opportunity there.

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LX
And I blame Nurse’s goatee.  Bring back the full beard.
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Rudy-T
Another really annoying game to watch. I don't know why it feels like the whole team has reverted to being a young not very well coached team that makes a lot of bad decisions. We are giving up the ball a lot on unforced turnovers, we are taking quick threes without any ball movement when the shot hasn't been falling the whole night, we are forcing too much one on one, and we are stupid aggressive in defense is situations where there is no need to go double or help. The boneheaded plays you expect from Ibaka and Powell, but Powell had much less of those during the injuries. But why is everyone else joining in too? Is Siakam too tired? Is Lowry getting too old? Is OG trying too hard? 

And to me it seems that we have taken a step back in both ends after Lowry came back. FVV was running the offense better with less resources to work with. And our defense has suffered from Lowry&Fred combo as they are both undersized. Of course our defense is also suffering due to those extra aggressive schemes that opponents have now figured out. Nurse needs to adjust. While we might have kept several stars in low scoring numbers, any good team has enough secondary fire power to handle us easily when we let them go 4 on 3. Those low scoring numbers haven't really turned into wins. Didnt help that we kept George down in this game, when everyone else was shooting lights out because they were open. 

I really feel that Nurse needs to play Lowry/Fred/Siakam less minutes and give those second unit guys more PT. It will help both in short and in long run. 
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elT
LX wrote:


this is exactly where my thoughts lied when it was all done. You ticked all my boxes, even at 10% of brain capacity (likely due to that since it would come closer to where my brain operates at 100%).

 

other than that i have since wondered if Fred is going to be somewhat essential to the role Lowry needs to fill. And mostly I am just happy with that little ceremony - especially the footprints projected onto the court in order to relive the shot. I do so love that shot, and always will. I would marry the shot if I wasn’t already married, but of course everyone would, so polygamy might become fashionable. We all should have married the shot to end the whole ceremony, with Kawhi presiding like a modern day Sun Myung Moon. Missed opportunity there.



Far fore likely that the remaining 90% of my brain capacity is just farts.
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Pzabby_2nd
What if NN is really just experimenting again, like he did last year? What if the defence becomes masterful again in the playoffs? Could it be?

I fucking hope so, because it has some glaring holes that even average fans can spot.
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LX
Pzabby_2nd wrote:
What if NN is really just experimenting again, like he did last year? What if the defence becomes masterful again in the playoffs? Could it be?

I fucking hope so, because it has some glaring holes that even average fans can spot.


it’s very similar to last season. He gives schemes way too much time to fail. I don’t know if experimenting is the right word. Ensuring a proper sample size maybe? Anyhow - we know from the past that he goes about these things methodically and over time it should come together. The kicker for me last night was how they got so stymied by the Clippers’ use of zone.
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moremilk
I personally don't think this defense is suitable for the regular season - way too energy intensive to play it too often. However, I do believe it's a very good strategy against playoff teams that are anchored by a single superstar (say the bucks).

In any case, it's pretty clear by now that nurse uses the regular season as an laboratory - all the weird things he tried last season that were driving many fans nuts, they disappeared in the playoffs.

I think we're going to see this defense phased out in future games, as a full game approach at least. We're probably going to see it applied only in stretches, and maybe once in a while for a full game. I'm really looking forward to the next Houston game, where I'm almost 100% certain he will use it again, with whatever tweaks they come up. Should be an interesting test case.
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Someguy again
Yeah all these new defensive schemes is probably for the record, to use as reference in the playoffs. We have the wing/guard depth that can switch and stifle on defense. Just like you guys mentioned, nick is just getting a good sample size to see who makes the 8 man playoff rotation.
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