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moremilk
elT wrote:


They had full team, we missed half of our all-stars. 

Also, Tony Brothers is the worst ref ever across all sports and leagues. The worst shit happens on his watch, all the time. 

Grat game. Only 2-2 this week, could have gone 1-3 but also 4-0. That Cavs win secures +31 point differential for the week though. The two losses were by combined 3 points. 

Despite refs, who didn't only hurt us by the way, this really good. I'm constantly falling into stupid trap and narrative about playoffs an find my self looking at the standings and how the road will look. Stupid.

To have our young guys go through all this learning pain and growth, to be 29-12 after 41 games, to have vast majority of our losses happen in close games(only 3 double digit losses(@DEN, @OKC, vs Wizards) is just great. And hey, this is still 58 wins pace, if there's more growth, more synergy and some rhythm building, 31-10 is quite reasonable the rest of the way. But even without 60 wins and #1 seed, this team kicks ass in so many ways. And not just the team, the whole organization, top to bottom. 

Whatever happens in playoffs, this season already feels like success. Could be even better if Miles and Powell find some rhythm. Also, no need  to rush Lowry back, let that fat butt heal, we'll need it. 


Yeah, I mean this season is, so far, exceeding the wildest expectations. And GSW really is the best team in history, it's legal cheating.

That being said, even though, rationally we appreciate the success, let's be honest and admit that if we end up losing again to the cabs in the 2nd round, in a 0-4 or 1-4 blowout, we'll be very disappointed ... [smile]

We really need to avoid the Cavs until ECF, but it's going to be tough. We'll need to win at least 2 of the 3 remaining Boston games, possibly all 3.
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Northern Neighbour
moremilk wrote:
The purpose of designing a play is to get an advantage, however small, over the defense.

If your designed play results in the type of shot the defense would concede gladly, either the play was poorly designed, or it broke down (since the defense will actively trying to disrupt it).

Even if the play results in demar going against their best defender one on one, it may still be a decent play if the position of the other players in the floor is such as to give demar a bit of an edge.

Personally, I think all this play-talk is somewhat overrated, the number of NBA games decided on play-calling is insignificant.


Agreed on the last point since pretty much every team runs the same sets and plays. Some teams just have far superior talent that allows them to execute at a higher rate.

There are, however, plenty of issues of trying to run a set play in the closing minutes. First, the defence could blow it up, which leaves the ball in the hands of the fourth or fifth option to take the shot. We saw this earlier in the season on two occasions where FVV had the ball instead of DD or Lowry. When you’re a man down (in this case Lowry), you don’t want to take that risk. As such, get the ball into your best player’s hands immediately.

Second, running a set play can lead to a turnover because the defence is likely to double the first receiver if he’s caught near the sideline or if the team takes too to get the ball into their main scorer’s hands. Imagine the outcry if Casey called a play that results in a turnover.

If Lowry is playing, maybe the Raps run a PnR with him to see if they can get a more favourable matchup (e.g., Curry on DD). But without that legitimate second threat, it becomes a difficult proposition because it’s unlikley GS would switch KD on to FVV to leave Curry on DD.
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January 14, 2018 | 7:50 am EST Update
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Eric Koreen: DeMar on refs: “It’s frustrating being out there feeling like you’re playing five-on-eight. It’s just what it feels like, period. Some of them calls were terrible, period.”
 
Storyline: Officiating Complaints
DeRozan’s comments will be examined by the league office for a potential fine. The Raptors trailed 81-54 at halftime and shot four more free throws than the Warriors. But Toronto coach Dwane Casey didn’t like the timing of calls that didn’t go his team’s way.
 
Cuban tweeted: “Watching end of Warriors Raptors. Refs can’t go back in time for a review. They can only review the out of bounds event. #protestable” Cuban’s point: The refs should have been looking only at the Curry portion of the play and not DeRozan’s involvement. Said DeRozan: “I thought you couldn’t even do that. I’m not even a referee, and I know that rule. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong.”
 
“Yeah, definitely,” VanVleet said, when asked if it’s difficult to play through debatable calls that go against his team. “But, you know, that’s a part of the game. There’s ups and downs to it. There’s times where you get them and times where you don’t. You’ve got to be able to adapt and adjust. And, obviously, you can’t give a team like that that type of lead. But, coming down the stretch, you’d like some of those [calls] to go your way. “In the mix of the game, you don’t really have time to dwell on it. But you come to the locker room after and you start adding them up — you start looking back at some that could have went your way. But that’s the way the game goes sometimes.”
 
– via SportsNet
“There was just so many calls down the stretch, I’ve got to look at them and see,” Casey said. “It’s just mind-boggling that you ask the official, ‘Did you see it?’ ‘Nah, I didn’t see it, wasn’t my call.’ I’ve got to have an explanation. I have all the respect in the world for our officials, but when you’re in and have that situation — our guys fighting their hearts out and again maybe they thought we didn’t deserve it the way we played in the first half, I don’t know. But the way they scraped in the second half. It blows my mind, and I think we have the best officials in the world.”
 
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edki
Northern Neighbour wrote:
. Every team runs PnR or isolation in the closing seconds to ensure their best player has the ball. For the entire game, Thompson was guarding DD, and DD was having his way. On this one sequence, Kerr made the switch and had KD matched up on him. Not sure how Casey is suppose to predict this unless he had a crystal ball in his back pocket. It’s up to DD to adjust, but if you’re DD you have to believe you’re going to make that shot. You want to take that shot. As the Raptors, you want your best player to take the shot. And why wouldn’t you? Hindsight is such a great thing, especially five hours after the final buzzer.


oh please, your best player is taking contested 17 ft jump shot is what coach wanted. give me a break. this whole play had 1 layer of complexity. Demar is dribbling the ball and Demar takes the shot. GS knew it too. That's why they had Durant on him.

I give a lot of credit to Toronto and Demar especially for showing character and getting back into this game. Even getting to a deciding posesion point vs GS in this game was great result.
Along with good learning opportunity these games help to realize your weaknesses. Execution under pressure is not Raptors forte yet. Lack of creative inbound plays is one of our weaknesses. Should I remind you MIA game and how our last two timeouts were used?

Another point. Casey's demeanor. He's running alongside the court chasing refs and crying about missed calls. They don't even bother with him. When was last time he got his technical?
Kerr goes mad, receives his attention and his team is getting away with absolutely ridiculous calls. 


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Northern Neighbour
edki wrote:


oh please, your best player is taking contested 17 ft jump shot is what coach wanted. give me a break. this whole play had 1 layer of complexity. Demar is dribbling the ball and Demar takes the shot. GS knew it too. That's why they had Durant on him.

I give a lot of credit to Toronto and Demar especially for showing character and getting back into this game. Even getting to a deciding posesion point vs GS in this game was great result.
Along with good learning opportunity these games help to realize your weaknesses. Execution under pressure is not Raptors forte yet. Lack of creative inbound plays is one of our weaknesses. Should I remind you MIA game and how our last two timeouts were used?

Another point. Casey's demeanor. He's running alongside the court chasing refs and crying about missed calls. They don't even bother with him. When was last time he got his technical?
Kerr goes mad, receives his attention and his team is getting away with absolutely ridiculous calls. 




The post is basically another anti-Casey one. Watch basketball. Watch every clutch situation and let me know if teams actually run plays that are not a) isol or b) pick-and-roll involving the team's two most dangerous players.

I explained why teams do this previously. For anyone who has played and studies the game would know this. There are too many other risks at trying to be too cute with the basketball. Get the ball into your best player's hands, and let him create. Given DD's efficiency in his mid-range game, the shot was fine. He actually got a good look, but just missed by an inch.
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JeffB




Sorry but imo Poeltl block on Curry wasn't a foul.
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Northern Neighbour
How did Poeltl foul Curry because he went straight up and blocked his shot while Curry crashed into him?

The inconsistency on the Durant and DeRozan plays is head-scratching because both of those plays were part of the same bloody sequence.
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elT
Northern Neighbour wrote:


The post is basically another anti-Casey one. Watch basketball. Watch every clutch situation and let me know if teams actually run plays that are not a) isol or b) pick-and-roll involving the team's two most dangerous players.

I explained why teams do this previously. For anyone who has played and studies the game would know this. There are too many other risks at trying to be too cute with the basketball. Get the ball into your best player's hands, and let him create. Given DD's efficiency in his mid-range game, the shot was fine. He actually got a good look, but just missed by an inch.


BUT BUT BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS SO SIMPLE AND HAS NOTHING FANCY  THAT WE COULD MISTAKE FOR CREATIVE! 
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Rene_13
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:




Sorry but imo Poeltl block on Curry wasn't a foul.


That wasn’t a foul at all. I have no idea how they could review that and call it a foul.
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edki
Northern Neighbour wrote:


The post is basically another anti-Casey one. Watch basketball. Watch every clutch situation and let me know if teams actually run plays that are not a) isol or b) pick-and-roll involving the team's two most dangerous players.

I explained why teams do this previously. For anyone who has played and studies the game would know this. There are too many other risks at trying to be too cute with the basketball. Get the ball into your best player's hands, and let him create. Given DD's efficiency in his mid-range game, the shot was fine. He actually got a good look, but just missed by an inch.


hey neighbour, I'm 45 year old. I've been obsessively watching NBA basketball since 1990. I hardly missed any TOR game in the last 10 years (since I moved to Canada). I played basketball all my life and coaching kids for the last 5 years. So even if I don't know the game as well as you do I still have enough experience to tell that Toronto doesn't manage clutch possessions well.

Derozan has developed into elite midrange player that can score in many ways and I naturally would love to see the ball in his hands when it matters but I don't want him to take contested midrange jumpers. You said pick and roll... when was last time Toronto run pick and roll as their game deciding possession? I wouldn't mind pick and roll with Derozan being ready to attack the basket or ready to pass if he's not open. Instead it is time after time contested mid range shot against other team's best defender.

I admit, I don't like Casey. I don't hate him. He is very nice person and I respect his style.
I should probably give Casey more credit for being able to speed up team's pace and create more looks for guys other than Demar and Lowry. Honestly, I'm surprised he was able to implement new style.
Obviously there are not so many available elite coaches in the league and to sign one you need to pay a lot of money. For the team like Toronto which has no championship aspirations in their current situation it would be a waste of money.


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Pzabby_2nd
edki wrote:


For the team like Toronto which has no championship aspirations in their current situation it would be a waste of money.





Bruh...
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LX
Saw a good post on twitter showing Draymond killing the play before the inbounds pass was made, by getting Steph and Klay to switch defensive assignments. The play was to get Steph switched onto DeMar with a pick set by Fred. Once Steph switched onto the inbound passer, Miles, it meant they had to switch up the play and it messed up the angles they were looking for. The pick set by Miles was ineffective and the switch was not needed.

The play did not have one level of complexity. There really needs to be a lot of credit given to the Warriors defense on the last two possessions.
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Stihlman
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
Sorry but imo Poeltl block on Curry wasn't a foul.


I have a feeling Steph thought the same thing and that's why he threw away his two free throughs.

I would of done the same. I wouldn't want the refs to dictate the outcome of a hard fought game.
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