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Pzabby_2nd
I'm really curious to see how much Siakam can improve his mid range game. He's nearly unstoppable going to the basket, especially now that he's a risk for hitting the pull up 3. But against solid defenders (like we saw last night) who can stop his spin, he'll need to develop a better mid range shot and an ability to get just enough space to get it off.

He can learn a lot from Kawhi in that regard (making space for the jimmy). I do wonder if he's working on it in practice and just waiting to unleash it once it's ready.
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Pzabby_2nd
Pzabby_2nd wrote:
I'm really curious to see how much Siakam can improve his mid range game. He's nearly unstoppable going to the basket, especially now that he's a risk for hitting the pull up 3. But against solid defenders (like we saw last night) who can stop his spin, he'll need to develop a better mid range shot and an ability to get just enough space to get it off.

He can learn a lot from Kawhi in that regard (making space for the jimmy). I do wonder if he's working on it in practice and just waiting to unleash it once it's ready. He'll need it for the playoffs
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DanH
moremilk wrote:

I didn't mean to be taken literally, no two players have the same distribution of shots if you dig deep into the types.

I guess a more accurate statement would be "they take the same types of shots, but distributed differently".

So it appears, based on your stats, that Trae takes more if the harder type of 3s than curry. That's fair to point as an advantage for Trae, but I would also point that using this season instead of his career is probably not ideal - with only 15 games, the sample size is too small. It's natural to expect him to improve given his age, but we'll see how it holds over the season.

Ultimately, my initial comment was to point that young looks the part in games where his shots are falling, but in many games that doesn't happen. Regardless of what types of shots you take, 32% is not an ideal percentage from 3.



It's not that he takes more of the tough shots. It's that he gets almost zero of the easier shots that make up most of Steph's attempts. and that was true last season as well as this one.

And he's at 35% this year. Considering the aforementioned shot distribution that's actually pretty impressive. He shot 32% as a rookie. It's probably even less smart to expect a player to be stuck at their rookie effectiveness than to jump to conclusions on a 15 game sample. 

I agree 100% that even 35% is not the ideal percentage from three. But he's playing 1 on 5 out there, so such is life. The Hawks suck, is basically the entire story there.
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Pzabby_2nd
DanH wrote:


It's not that he takes more of the tough shots. It's that he gets almost zero of the easier shots that make up most of Steph's attempts. and that was true last season as well as this one.

And he's at 35% this year. Considering the aforementioned shot distribution that's actually pretty impressive. He shot 32% as a rookie. It's probably even less smart to expect a player to be stuck at their rookie effectiveness than to jump to conclusions on a 15 game sample. 

I agree 100% that even 35% is not the ideal percentage from three. But he's playing 1 on 5 out there, so such is life. The Hawks suck, is basically the entire story there.


Worries me given how hard we had to fight to win that game.

Nice learning experience for our rookies though, to deal with a late comeback and still hold on for the win. RHJ was shitting his pants as he shot those free throws, lol.
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LX
Pzabby_2nd wrote:
I'm really curious to see how much Siakam can improve his mid range game. He's nearly unstoppable going to the basket, especially now that he's a risk for hitting the pull up 3. But against solid defenders (like we saw last night) who can stop his spin, he'll need to develop a better mid range shot and an ability to get just enough space to get it off.

He can learn a lot from Kawhi in that regard (making space for the jimmy). I do wonder if he's working on it in practice and just waiting to unleash it once it's ready.


 We did see his midrange shot last night and it was pretty effective. I’m not sure it has to be that much better. I think he mostly needs to get better, bit by bit, at putting everything together beyond just his game. He’s just getting his feet wet at leading a team through games and finding his spots within that.
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Pzabby_2nd
LX wrote:


 We did see his midrange shot last night and it was pretty effective. I’m not sure it has to be that much better. I think he mostly needs to get better, bit by bit, at putting everything together beyond just his game. He’s just getting his feet wet at leading a team through games and finding his spots within that.


I saw one midrange shot? Did you see others? And it could hardly be described as proof of a full midrange game arsenal. Are you really saying siakam is anywhere near the likes of Kawhi, demar, et al who have mastered that area of the court?

I'm all for optimism but let's be realistic.
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Northern Neighbour
Siakam's midrange game is ok. It could definitely improve. He's shooting only 39% from shots between 5 and 9 feet, which is essentially in the key. He's at 41.2% from 10 to 14 feet, but the sample size is super small (17 shots). He's up to 45% from 15 to 19 feet, but that's only just 20 shots. From 20 to 24 feet, he's at 28.2% on 39 attempts. 

But is it that important to have a great midrange game or to be very efficient at the rim and from 3 and merely proficient from midrange? For instance, look at James Harden's stats, and he has even less volume at a similiar effiency. Stephen Curry shoots in the low- to mid-40% from midrange at also low volume. Other than Kawhi, Durant, and DeRozan, there aren't many great midrange players in today's era.  
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Pzabby_2nd
Siakam's midrange game is ok. It could definitely improve. He's shooting only 39% from shots between 5 and 9 feet, which is essentially in the key. He's at 41.2% from 10 to 14 feet, but the sample size is super small (17 shots). He's up to 45% from 15 to 19 feet, but that's only just 20 shots. From 20 to 24 feet, he's at 28.2% on 39 attempts. 

But is it that important to have a great midrange game or to be very efficient at the rim and from 3 and merely proficient from midrange? For instance, look at James Harden's stats, and he has even less volume at a similiar effiency. Stephen Curry shoots in the low- to mid-40% from midrange at also low volume. Other than Kawhi, Durant, and DeRozan, there aren't many great midrange players in today's era.  


Kawhi's midrange ability is what helped us beat philly. Against elite defences, blocking out the 3 and close range shots is possible. The ability to work within those areas helps defeat those schemes, which in turn opens up those areas as the defence adjusts.

Harden hasn't won a chip. Siakam is also nowhere near the 3pt shooter harden is.

He also doesn't have the same 3 pt ability that GSW did, both on his own, nor does the team (though we're excellent, the splash bros and the rest of that team were unstoppable from 3).

We need more. I keep going back to last night and how we got flustered when the 3 was taken away and siakam wasn't allowed to get to the rim. It'll happen rarely in the season, but playoff teams and games are a different thing. 
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LX
Pzabby_2nd wrote:


I saw one midrange shot? Did you see others? And it could hardly be described as proof of a full midrange game arsenal. Are you really saying siakam is anywhere near the likes of Kawhi, demar, et al who have mastered that area of the court?

I'm all for optimism but let's be realistic.


you asked if he was waiting to unleash it. I saw a couple - one he got fouled on. That might not be proof of some full arsenal, but it is proof that he is not waiting to unleash anything. And i would repeat that his point of emphasis should not be all about his individual game. That has grown immensely. But in a vacuum that means shit. What he needs is to learn what being the alpha on this team means, and having all that he does properly integrated into what the team is looking to do.
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