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Mobaigz6
We better give detroit a whooping next game to make up for this
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Toby
With the Cavs recent resurgence, and Toronto holding 1st place, I feel some real mainstream media hatred coming your way. Rise above it, surf the wave of whiney journalistic Cleveland bandwagoners. Winning shuts up all the peckerheads real quick. Go on another streak.
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elT
Northern Neighbour wrote:
Or had a 1:1 point-to-turnover ratio. The Raps forced a lot of turnovers, but they didn’t make the Bucks pay. Rebounding also a huge factor as the Bucks had a three-to-one edge on second-chance points. The Raps did so many things wrong. We should all know by now that when the Raps return from a long break or a long road trip, they suck the first game back. Most of the suckitude comes from the 2 stars.


Pretty much played on floor vs their ceiling in every aspect of the game. Shitty. 

And you are right about the breaks, something is off there and it seems mental and it smells like another game 1 loss in the first round because that whole last week will be one giant break. 
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rb
funny enough, watching the highlights again and it looked like jv traveled on the buzzer beating dunk
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Berimbolo
 how great did Siakim play?? wow. he was legit giving Giannis hell. He is our best defender in my eyes and it isnt really close. He should be on every other teams best offensive player in the yoffs, LeBron, Giannis, KD, whoever.

 He also leads ppl into Poetle so well and big Poe is shot blocking stud.


 To me, that is our future. Those 2 as our bigs. Serge and JV are stop gap until both guys are ready to start which may be as soon as next year or at worst the year after.


 I also consider starting Siakim over OG. I really believe he is better at pretty much everything.
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Pzabby_2nd
Berimbolo wrote:
 how great did Siakim play?? wow. he was legit giving Giannis hell. He is our best defender in my eyes and it isnt really close. He should be on every other teams best offensive player in the yoffs, LeBron, Giannis, KD, whoever.

 He also leads ppl into Poetle so well and big Poe is shot blocking stud.


 To me, that is our future. Those 2 as our bigs. Serge and JV are stop gap until both guys are ready to start which may be as soon as next year or at worst the year after.


 I also consider starting Siakim over OG. I really believe he is better at pretty much everything.


3 point shooting it isn't close between OG and Siakam.

And relax on JV being a stop gap. Dude has shown this season he deserves a spot in the starting 5 for the foreseeable future.
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LX
No foul here folks. Move along.

[DW0hmNgWkAExXNK] 
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Berimbolo
Pzabby_2nd wrote:
3 point shooting it isn't close between OG and Siakam. And relax on JV being a stop gap. Dude has shown this season he deserves a spot in the starting 5 for the foreseeable future.


 Raps are way better offensively with Siakim in the lineup.


 Teams arent even bothering to guard OG anymore. Siakim is a great passer, can ball handle and get inside. Admittedly his 3s arent as good as OG right now but overall he is a superior offensive player. (he is also overall a better defensive player but lots of Rap fans seem to disagree, despite all numbers pointing that way) If OG doesnt hit open shots he is basically a useless player on offense, he does nothing else, not even great cuts to the net.


 JV is a stop gap to me. I wont relax on it. Poe is a defensive anchor in the making on a deal that would leave the Raps free to spend money elsewhere, like a legit starting 3 and have OG come off the bench.  

 I see the near future as Lowry/DeMar/Ibaka+JV salarys which could net a star and allow us to keep FVV/Wright for a bit til we decide which direction we go/Siakim/Big Poe


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DocHolliday
Berimbolo wrote:
 how great did Siakim play?? wow. he was legit giving Giannis hell. He is our best defender in my eyes and it isnt really close. He should be on every other teams best offensive player in the yoffs, LeBron, Giannis, KD, whoever.

 He also leads ppl into Poetle so well and big Poe is shot blocking stud.


 To me, that is our future. Those 2 as our bigs. Serge and JV are stop gap until both guys are ready to start which may be as soon as next year or at worst the year after.


 I also consider starting Siakim over OG. I really believe he is better at pretty much everything.


If Siakam could hit a 3 sure, start him at the 3.  However, you're seriously under valuing OG's defensive impact,  not just his one on one but his team defense has been great.  No denying that PS is going to eventually start but he'll be starting at the 4 and remember, most of Pascal's defensive stats have come mainly against other teams' benches whereas OG's are against starters.

OG's dip is simply him going through and hopefully pushing though the rookie wall.

BTW - FvV has better defensive ratings than both Siakam, Poeltl and OG.
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Pzabby_2nd
LX wrote:
No foul here folks. Move along.

[DW0hmNgWkAExXNK] 


I just realized what the commotion was all about after watching it. That's fucked up that they didn't call that a foul.

Human error? Focused so much on seeing if it was on time, that they didn't even think about the possibility of an and-1?
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Berimbolo
DocHolliday wrote:


If Siakam could hit a 3 sure, start him at the 3.  However, you're seriously under valuing OG's defensive impact,  not just his one on one but his team defense has been great.  No denying that PS is going to eventually start but he'll be starting at the 4 and remember, most of Pascal's defensive stats have come mainly against other teams' benches whereas OG's are against starters.

OG's dip is simply him going through and hopefully pushing though the rookie wall.

BTW - FvV has better defensive ratings than both Siakam, Poeltl and OG.


 

 I truly believe Siakim to be the better defender. clearly the better rebounder, too. I dont think OG is a scrub by any means. I also dont think he is an ideal starter, he has hit the wall hard and we need to start considering what we will do moving forward if he continues on this trend as the season winds down.

 Siakim plays about the same MPG as OG so to say he isnt facing starters is a falsehood. He was guarding Giannis (exceptionally well imo but Giannis hitting really tough shots) last night for long periods of time.

  we could have a deeper conversation but ill just leave it at OG is ridiculously overrated by most of you around here. i hear future all star thrown around....... even superstar potential??....... im not seeing either. i would be amazed if it happened.

 FVV is consistently on the floor with the best defensive pairings so he reaps benefits and is a pretty stout defender himself. Not all defense team potential like Siakim and Big Poe have IMO i am that impressed by both guys. I think they could be a dynamic defensive force in a few years but both need to add to offensive game to make it viable.
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JeffB
Btw, the last 2min report was released and it did not say the JV buzzer beater was a foul.

Here's another angle...

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Pzabby_2nd
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
Btw, the last 2min report was released and it did not say the JV buzzer beater was a foul.

Here's another angle...



I hate the NBA.

I saw a clip of an AD alleyoop where the defender barely touched him and he got the And1. The defenders arms touched him, but they were perfectly vertical - as opposed to JV here....

Fuck the NBA man.

If we end up making the finals who wants to bet that, if we play well enough to make it a contest, it'll be a repeat of kings/Lakers from that early 2000s season ('02?)
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DocHolliday
Berimbolo wrote:

 I truly believe Siakim to be the better defender. clearly the better rebounder, too. I dont think OG is a scrub by any means. I also dont think he is an ideal starter, he has hit the wall hard and we need to start considering what we will do moving forward if he continues on this trend as the season winds down.


I certainly agree that Pascal has come a long ways since last year when he was terrible defensively as a starter.  he was pretty raw and had a lot to learn.  OG has been able to slide right in with the starters and the 1st unit's overall defense with OG is far superior to anyone else that plays the 3.  Offensively, his handles a sloppy right now but he does pass nicely out of the post and is seemingly looking to pass first than shoot (not a bad trait).  That wall has hit him pretty hard before the ASB but hopefully Casey manages his minutes down the stretch, the team needs his defense and 3pt shooting for the playoffs.  

Pascal is fantastic, don't get me wrong - he's the Swiss army knife of the Raps, can almost do it all and will once he hits those 3's.  His synergy with Poeltl is fantastic, they've spent a lot of time together the last 2 years and not just with the 905s, summer league, the Raps but on vacations and holidays as well.  Really cool and with OG they are the team's 3-4-5 of the future.  That's a stout defensive 3 frontcourt there.


Berimbolo wrote:

 Siakim plays about the same MPG as OG so to say he isnt facing starters is a falsehood. He was guarding Giannis (exceptionally well imo but Giannis hitting really tough shots) last night for long periods of time.
 


Well, when you're talking about MPG, let's not forget all the blow outs that have happened; this has allowed the bench to pile up more minutes than normal - those mpg stats are really skewed.  Also, I didn't say Pascal doesn't face the opposition's starters but OG is the starter so he faces starters more often whereas Pascal comes in against the other teams' bench.  The Raps' bench mob have been crushing the oppositions benches and carried that momentum forward through the 4th when the other team usually calls it and sits their starters.  


Berimbolo wrote:


  we could have a deeper conversation but ill just leave it at OG is ridiculously overrated by most of you around here. i hear future all star thrown around....... even superstar potential??....... im not seeing either. i would be amazed if it happened.


I don't see that OG is so vastly overrated here.  He's done some incredible things on defense with his pinnacle achievement this season, imo, was when he hounded Harden into a subpar night.  OG was playing so well that even KD and others took note. Stupid rookie wall lol.  As for his offense, this is a tough one, the starters aren't clicking quite so much in the new system as the bench group.  Demar and Klow both tend to fall back into iso's at the expense of ball movement which is frustrating.  The O in December/Jan was great with the 1st unit when the ball was moving so hopefully they get back to it.  Pascal is definitely further along though, his back door cuts and movement off the ball is phenomenal for a 2nd year player. 


Berimbolo wrote:


 FVV is consistently on the floor with the best defensive pairings so he reaps benefits and is a pretty stout defender himself. Not all defense team potential like Siakim and Big Poe have IMO i am that impressed by both guys. I think they could be a dynamic defensive force in a few years but both need to add to offensive game to make it viable.


Well sure, cause he's been that good but his best ratings have come playing with the other 4 of Pascal, Jakob, Miles and Delon - that 5 together have the best net rating in the league over any other 5 and their team defense have been stellar.  I just love this group.


You know, I love the Raps, the starters to the bench.  I don't want to get too much into comparing a rookie hitting the wall to a 2nd year player but I'm grateful to have both.  OG has a lot of upside to explore.  Pascal is going to be great.
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