I truly believe Siakim to be the better defender. clearly the better rebounder, too. I dont think OG is a scrub by any means. I also dont think he is an ideal starter, he has hit the wall hard and we need to start considering what we will do moving forward if he continues on this trend as the season winds down.
I certainly agree that Pascal has come a long ways since last year when he was terrible defensively as a starter. he was pretty raw and had a lot to learn. OG has been able to slide right in with the starters and the 1st unit's overall defense with OG is far superior to anyone else that plays the 3. Offensively, his handles a sloppy right now but he does pass nicely out of the post and is seemingly looking to pass first than shoot (not a bad trait). That wall has hit him pretty hard before the ASB but hopefully Casey manages his minutes down the stretch, the team needs his defense and 3pt shooting for the playoffs.
Pascal is fantastic, don't get me wrong - he's the Swiss army knife of the Raps, can almost do it all and will once he hits those 3's. His synergy with Poeltl is fantastic, they've spent a lot of time together the last 2 years and not just with the 905s, summer league, the Raps but on vacations and holidays as well. Really cool and with OG they are the team's 3-4-5 of the future. That's a stout defensive 3 frontcourt there.
Berimbolo wrote: Siakim plays about the same MPG as OG so to say he isnt facing starters is a falsehood
. He was guarding Giannis (exceptionally well imo but Giannis hitting really tough shots) last night for long periods of time.
Well, when you're talking about MPG, let's not forget all the blow outs that have happened; this has allowed the bench to pile up more minutes than normal - those mpg stats are really skewed. Also, I didn't say Pascal doesn't face the opposition's starters but OG is the starter so he faces starters more often whereas Pascal comes in against the other teams' bench. The Raps' bench mob have been crushing the oppositions benches and carried that momentum forward through the 4th when the other team usually calls it and sits their starters.
we could have a deeper conversation but ill just leave it at OG is ridiculously overrated by most of you around here. i hear future all star thrown around....... even superstar potential??....... im not seeing either. i would be amazed if it happened.
I don't see that OG is so vastly overrated here. He's done some incredible things on defense with his pinnacle achievement this season, imo, was when he hounded Harden into a subpar night. OG was playing so well that even KD and others took note. Stupid rookie wall lol. As for his offense, this is a tough one, the starters aren't clicking quite so much in the new system as the bench group. Demar and Klow both tend to fall back into iso's at the expense of ball movement which is frustrating. The O in December/Jan was great with the 1st unit when the ball was moving so hopefully they get back to it. Pascal is definitely further along though, his back door cuts and movement off the ball is phenomenal for a 2nd year player.
Berimbolo wrote: FVV is consistently on the floor with the best defensive pairing
s so he reaps benefits and is a pretty stout defender himself. Not all defense team potential like Siakim and Big Poe have IMO i am that impressed by both guys. I think they could be a dynamic defensive force in a few years but both need to add to offensive game to make it viable.
Well sure, cause he's been that good but his best ratings have come playing with the other 4 of Pascal, Jakob, Miles and Delon - that 5 together have the best net rating in the league over any other 5 and their team defense have been stellar. I just love this group.
You know, I love the Raps, the starters to the bench. I don't want to get too much into comparing a rookie hitting the wall to a 2nd year player but I'm grateful to have both. OG has a lot of upside to explore. Pascal is going to be great.