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DanH
moremilk wrote:


It's nothing evil, just motivational. Don't you find it odd that davis was the 10th or 11th guy to be subbed in that game? Despite fred being out? I think most people expected td to have an elevated role after fvv was ruled out, and nurse barely gave him any pt.

After that game, nurse said McCaw was playing poorly recently, but clearly that wasn't an impediment in starting him the next day ( he had one of his worst games against Portland - so it's not like he improved his case for getting minutes).

What other explanation you have for td not playing much on Tuesday?


He was bad when he played on Tuesday. And as noted hadn't been great lately (though to be fair he's been asked to create on the ball a lot and that's not his skillset yet). 

As for the late sub in, Nurse does wacky stuff like that all the time. He wanted a look at Johnson, Brissett had earned a look, and they wanted to get Thomas in on his return from injury, would be the more obvious explanations, along with Nurse's dissatisfaction with Terry of late. Then when he did poorly in the game Nurse criticized him afterwards. 
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elT
moremilk wrote:


It's nothing evil, just motivational. Don't you find it odd that davis was the 10th or 11th guy to be subbed in that game? Despite fred being out? I think most people expected td to have an elevated role after fvv was ruled out, and nurse barely gave him any pt.

After that game, nurse said McCaw was playing poorly recently, but clearly that wasn't an impediment in starting him the next day ( he had one of his worst games against Portland - so it's not like he improved his case for getting minutes).

What other explanation you have for td not playing much on Tuesday?


Maybe he wasn't doing so well in games or practices? There is like a shipload of different plausible reasons before we arrive to any sort of reptilian conspiracy.
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JeffB
elT wrote:


Maybe he wasn't doing so well in games or practices? There is like a shipload of different plausible reasons before we arrive to any sort of reptilian conspiracy.


Reptilian conspiracy?

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elT
JeffB wrote:


Reptilian conspiracy?



It is a joke. Milky's creativity reminded me of all those reptilian/illuminati/freemasons/aliens conspiracies online.
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moremilk
elT wrote:


Maybe he wasn't doing so well in games or practices? There is like a shipload of different plausible reasons before we arrive to any sort of reptilian conspiracy.


not sure why you keep calling it a conspiracy … doesn't that require multiple people to, you know, conspire? 🙂
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moremilk
DanH wrote:


He was bad when he played on Tuesday. And as noted hadn't been great lately (though to be fair he's been asked to create on the ball a lot and that's not his skillset yet). 
 


yeah, he was. So bad, that nurse called him out after the game. And then he started him the next game 🙂 Either that decision was made before the Portland game (quite possible), or Nurse did it after calling TD out at the news conference. If Nurse knew he will start TD and still made the comments, I think it's clear it was a planned comment to light a bit of a fire under TD. 

For what it's worth, I called Davis as a starter for Wednesday in the 2nd quarter of the Portland game, it was a fairly obvious thing as far I was concerned. There was no other explanation for not playing davis more. It's not like Stanley Johnson was killing it.
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elT
moremilk wrote:


not sure why you keep calling it a conspiracy … doesn't that require multiple people to, you know, conspire? 🙂


Everything is possible in a conspiracy theory.

Not sure why you are hanging on to this. He called him out because made sense. He started him because it made sense. There was no need for an elaborate five moves sequence over a few days for any of it. It worked out well.
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DanH
moremilk wrote:


yeah, he was. So bad, that nurse called him out after the game. And then he started him the next game 🙂 Either that decision was made before the Portland game (quite possible), or Nurse did it after calling TD out at the news conference. If Nurse knew he will start TD and still made the comments, I think it's clear it was a planned comment to light a bit of a fire under TD. 

For what it's worth, I called Davis as a starter for Wednesday in the 2nd quarter of the Portland game, it was a fairly obvious thing as far I was concerned. There was no other explanation for not playing davis more. It's not like Stanley Johnson was killing it.


I see you haven't followed this year's Raptors too closely, where every single game provides an example of there not being any explanation for better players not playing more even though the worse players in front of them are playing poorly. It's just a quirk of the way Nurse likes to try things.

The simplest explanation is after the game when Nurse decided to call out Terry he also decided he would start him the next game, using those two things in conjunction to try to get Terry going. We can theorize all we like about how he planned it for months and needed to wear a fake face like in mission impossible to pull it off, but that's all just making stuff up to avoid the easiest answer.
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moremilk
DanH wrote:


I see you haven't followed this year's Raptors too closely, where every single game provides an example of there not being any explanation for better players not playing more even though the worse players in front of them are playing poorly. It's just a quirk of the way Nurse likes to try things.

The simplest explanation is after the game when Nurse decided to call out Terry he also decided he would start him the next game, using those two things in conjunction to try to get Terry going. We can theorize all we like about how he planned it for months and needed to wear a fake face like in mission impossible to pull it off, but that's all just making stuff up to avoid the easiest answer.


months? Who said anything about months. You're in fact mostly agreeing with me, that the comments he made about TD were done in conjunction with the decision to start him, as a motivational ploy (which is, really, my main point). Whether he decided to do it before the Portland game or after is far less relevant - but,  clearly, if the decision was made before the game, it also explains why davis played so little on Tueday.

Your alternative explanation for that (nurse does quirky stuff), is also possible, but I fail to see how it's simpler. You essentially accept that it was weird not to play davis more against Portland, but rather than accept the theory that there was a plan behind it - you prefer to chalk it up to Nurse's propensity for quirky decisions.

Regardless, it's a silly argument.
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moremilk
elT wrote:


Everything is possible in a conspiracy theory.

Not sure why you are hanging on to this. He called him out because made sense. He started him because it made sense. There was no need for an elaborate five moves sequence over a few days for any of it. It worked out well.


you're the one who kept it going - and without any plausible arguments. At least Dan is presenting an alternate explanation.

You only offered the argument that "Maybe he wasn't doing so well in games or practices?", which makes no sense since there was no practice between Tuesday and Wednesday and Davis was terrible on Tuesday. So if that was the reason to give him fewer minutes against Portland, it would make no sense to start him the next day. He should have gotten a DNP ...

please don't reply to this 🙂
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Northern Neighbour

Does it really matter when Nurse decided to put TD in the starting lineup? Nurse is both tactical and spontaneous, so any scenario is plausible. Regardless, the whole discussion and speculation are pretty ridiculous. 

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elT
moremilk wrote:


you're the one who kept it going - and without any plausible arguments. At least Dan is presenting an alternate explanation.

You only offered the argument that "Maybe he wasn't doing so well in games or practices?", which makes no sense since there was no practice between Tuesday and Wednesday and Davis was terrible on Tuesday. So if that was the reason to give him fewer minutes against Portland, it would make no sense to start him the next day. He should have gotten a DNP ...

please don't reply to this 🙂



The fuck are you talking about? This is the stupidest tangent within a thread in long time, completely pointless, baseless and entirely irrelevant. It is a freakin' brainfart at best and you want sensible arguments? Like here is some random shit I came up with, everyone think really hard and employ scientific rigor in your replies to my random, pointless, irrelevant claim. And I kept it going? You have two people very politely telling you it doesn't make sense and you keep arguing this nonsense. Just take the brainfart card and let it die. We all have brainfarts.

Reply if you will. Or don't. Just don't expect PHD level elaboration in response to this or future brainfarts.
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DanH
moremilk wrote:


months? Who said anything about months. You're in fact mostly agreeing with me, that the comments he made about TD were done in conjunction with the decision to start him, as a motivational ploy (which is, really, my main point). Whether he decided to do it before the Portland game or after is far less relevant - but,  clearly, if the decision was made before the game, it also explains why davis played so little on Tueday.

Your alternative explanation for that (nurse does quirky stuff), is also possible, but I fail to see how it's simpler. You essentially accept that it was weird not to play davis more against Portland, but rather than accept the theory that there was a plan behind it - you prefer to chalk it up to Nurse's propensity for quirky decisions.

Regardless, it's a silly argument.


It's been weird not to play Davis more in every single game he's played in. And yet he only started after this particular one. 

I really don't think it was planned before the Portland game. The Portland game was the worst game Davis had played, up to that point he'd been struggling a bit but was fine. He was shocking against Portland. 

If he wanted to send that message, don't you think he would have just benched Davis against Portland? 

I'm agreeing that he obviously uses a stick and carrot in conjunction. I'm disagreeing that he planned Davis' minutes against Portland as a punishment.

Silly theories get silly arguments. 😋
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moremilk
DanH wrote:


It's been weird not to play Davis more in every single game he's played in. And yet he only started after this particular one. 

I really don't think it was planned before the Portland game. The Portland game was the worst game Davis had played, up to that point he'd been struggling a bit but was fine. He was shocking against Portland. 

If he wanted to send that message, don't you think he would have just benched Davis against Portland? 

I'm agreeing that he obviously uses a stick and carrot in conjunction. I'm disagreeing that he planned Davis' minutes against Portland as a punishment.

Silly theories get silly arguments. 😋


fair enough 🙂

one last note though, my theory was that the low minutes were to keep him fresh, not to punish him. With a b2b and super short handed, having a fresh guy could be very useful.
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Northern Neighbour
moremilk wrote:


fair enough 🙂

one last note though, my theory was that the low minutes were to keep him fresh, not to punish him. With a b2b and super short handed, having a fresh guy could be very useful.


Davis is only averaging 17 minutes a game, and before the Portland game he only played 29 total minutes in the previous two games, and the team had some rest days. So this theory has holes in it, too. Davis was in a funk. He admitted as much yesterday, where he explained how Powell helped him recognize that he had gotten complacent. He didn't play a lot against Portland because, as Nurse explicitly said, he wasn't playing well. It wasn't to keep him fresh. 
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