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dwchills
moremilk wrote:


Well, defensively he's been pretty consistently awesome this season, no? Offensively, he's showing signs of more - not going to happen this season, or the next. But the signs are important, because they show progress. By the time he's 25, would it surprise you if he's a consistent 18 ppg guy? Or better?


He's been good on defence this year, no doubt , that being said it's 4 games.
"as close to Kawhi as can be", Kawhi EARNED that reputation due to his dogged, day in day out consistent defence over 8 YEARS , not 4 games.
His offence/confidence is definitely looking better this year and I'm really happy for him considering what happened to him on and off the court last year.
I called a spade a spade last year when he was bad, and I like I said at the beginning of the season, if  we're going to have good season this year he will have to be a big part of that, and I think he will be.
-22 is young, but Zion, Trae, RJ Luka etc etc are younger, as is much of the 1 and done NBA, and in that context, he's not that young.
-maybe it's his gate or lack of fluidity, but I just don't see a superstar or a transcendent talent in OG.  Can he avg 18 pgg?? possibly, but if he gives me 15, 5 and 5 Ion a nightly basis, I'll be happy.
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0nekhmer
Mccaw was impressive defensively tonight as well. Always good to have that type of energy off the bench. Hopefully it motivates Terrance Davis and Thomas to put in that same effort when they do play
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Northern Neighbour
dwchills wrote:


He's been good on defence this year, no doubt , that being said it's 4 games.
"as close to Kawhi as can be", Kawhi EARNED that reputation due to his dogged, day in day out consistent defence over 8 YEARS , not 4 games.
His offence/confidence is definitely looking better this year and I'm really happy for him considering what happened to him on and off the court last year.
I called a spade a spade last year when he was bad, and I like I said at the beginning of the season, if  we're going to have good season this year he will have to be a big part of that, and I think he will be.
-22 is young, but Zion, Trae, RJ Luka etc etc are younger, as is much of the 1 and done NBA, and in that context, he's not that young.
-maybe it's his gate or lack of fluidity, but I just don't see a superstar or a transcendent talent in OG.  Can he avg 18 pgg?? possibly, but if he gives me 15, 5 and 5 Ion a nightly basis, I'll be happy.


It's been four games, but who's counting?

Kawhi Leonard's stats in his age-22 season (third year in the NBA just like OG): 
12.8 ppg on 52.2% shooting, 37.9% 3PT, 6.2 rebounds, 2.0 apg, 1.7 steals, 0.8 blocks in 29.1 minutes per game.

Leonard's true breakout season came two years later at the age of 24. Before then, he was considered one of the league's best defensive players, but many considered him to be nothing more than an elite 3-and-D guy.

Every player obviously develops at a different rate. The rare player is an instant superstar, but most require years of development before they ascend to such levels, such as Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and the aforementioned Kawhi Leonard. Some guys, despite their high draft status, reach their ceilings at a very young age (see Blake Griffin) or never reach it at all. The latter is the most likely scenario for the vast majority of players. The advantages that OG has are a) he's not being asked to do a lot of heavy lifting this year; b) he's in a great, winning environment; and c) he's with an organization that is renowned for its player development. Some guys don't have these luxuries, but OG, like Leonard, does. OG won't be a star this year, but it's not out of the question to think he'll be in the running for Most Improved Player and down the road he could be a perennial candidate for the All-Defence Teams or possibly develops into a star player.
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LX
I got to see most of this. Just simply loving the defense. They go through stretches where they are settling on offense, but i trust that will improve as everything moves along. 
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DanH
LX wrote:
I got to see most of this. Just simply loving the defense. They go through stretches where they are settling on offense, but i trust that will improve as everything moves along. 


Yeah, I thought there would be more ability-limited issues on offence, but most of their problems are just settling for bad looks, running the offence through the wrong players type issues, which are easily fixed. 
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CobraKing
How do you'll feel about Norm playing with the starters as opposed to coming off the bench?
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DanH
CobraKing wrote:
How do you'll feel about Norm playing with the starters as opposed to coming off the bench?


I thought he was the default starting SG heading into the season. Fred has done fine there, but with the minutes piling up, they should start quick-subbing Norm for FVV after a few minutes so they can stagger Fred and Lowry's minutes better, get their loads down, and only use them together to start and finish halves.
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elT
I didn't last beyond first half of third quarter. The game got frustrating quickly with the team abandoning the excellent offense in first quarter and deciding to imitate Brad Stevens and the Celtics with pointless passing around the perimeter and jacking up random shots. For some reason, attacking the paint stopped and it wasn't because of Orlando's defense, which is good, but purely because of meshed up objectives, slow decision making and passive play. Hated that it had to be 60 years old Lowry to show everyone what needs to be done while rest of the team was playing like Jayson Tatum - bad shot selection and complete aversion of contact.

OG, of course, was golden.
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LX
On the other hand it is great that Lowry is in mid-season form. There got to be a few too many misses around the basket at points, and that seemed to get compounded by the unwillingness to keep going at it. I thought Fred went through a process of figuring out when he was trying to do too much. They just need a fuller comfort level with what they can do offensively. And Lowry might turn out to be a bigger part of that than expected. He might be better suited for that than ever before. Still, i love that they can do so much with defense alone and have gotten so much out of that.
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Raptorman
A few notes from the game last night.

1) The old skewl court was awesome. And the old jerseys.  Nice that we can win the chip but not forget our past.

2) My girls were screaming every time Pascal scored. They were wearing his jersey. Good times.

3) First quarter was gold. Kind of stinky after that but a win is a win. Good to see subs make an appearance.  Too bad they stunk a bit and the starters got more burn. I long for the bench mob days when Casey had to hesitate to take them off because they were so good. 

4) On the way out, we saw a tall white old man and a short black lady wearing #0 with Davis II on the back.  So I had to ask. "Are your Terrance's parents?" They were his aunt and uncle. They were ecstatic that Terrance was in Toronto and  would be given a chance to play. Then others saw them and came over for a love in.  Nice people. Now I am a fan. Here's a link to their page.  https://www.facebook.com/TerenceDavisJr/

5) Upper bowl fans are so friendly and true fans.  I sit in my rich brothers lower bowls once in a while and the people are mostly miserable and not involved. 
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CobraKing
DanH wrote:


I thought he was the default starting SG heading into the season. Fred has done fine there, but with the minutes piling up, they should start quick-subbing Norm for FVV after a few minutes so they can stagger Fred and Lowry's minutes better, get their loads down, and only use them together to start and finish halves.


From what I've seen the past few seasons, he tends to play better when starting - maybe less pressure when Lowry and the others are there. We really need him to chip in at least 9-11 points instead of <5 presently.
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elT
CobraKing wrote:


From what I've seen the past few seasons, he tends to play better when starting - maybe less pressure when Lowry and the others are there. We really need him to chip in at least 9-11 points instead of <5 presently.


Yeah, I wanna see Norm start. More size, more athleticism, better balance with bench and starters, less of a load for Lowry and FVV. And Norm benefits a great deal from Gasol's playmaking and being surrounded by better players. FVV is far more independent.
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