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Carlito
I'm not all that upset about the loss ....
We are clearly seeing the limitations of our second tier players that have not stepped up ... for me the most concerning is Delon.  He clearly isn't playing his normal role in the second unit without FVV, but with Powell there now I would of expected more.  Don't ever see Delon becoming a starter.
FVV is a solid winner, but lacks the pure athleticism to be a starting PG with our current starting unit.  Other than KL and Siakim .. no one can create their own shot.  Makes FVV significantly less effective without Lowry on the court.  Still love FVV but not as our starting PG ...
OG has a tremendous amount of growth needed ... hope he adopts DD work ethic and brings new skills to the table ... personally, I don't see him becoming a Star but potentially a decent starter in the future.  Seems like an excellent team guy ...
I gave up on Miles last year and loved the fact he came back in shape, but man his head is completely screwed ... he needs a new scene to clear his head.
Nice to see Powell playing better and making less brain farts ... playing in better control. 
Siakim is the only guy I wouldn't trade ...

To some level, we have been overachieving and our limitations are being exposed .... Great opportunity for Masai to really see what we have.  With Lowry and JV out, and others being banged up ... Raptors limitations are on full screen.

Can Nurse get more out of the team?? This has also been an excellent opportunity for Nurse to see what we have ...

I don't see our shooting getting much better with our current roster, so Defense and fast paced Offense based on passing needs to be the focus.


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Mobaigz6
Ernie and Kenny at halftime were saying this would be a single digit game heading into the 4th, lol.

Chuck however was reluctant to change his mind and said it'll be a blowout since it's an emotional game. He still thinks we're the best team in the east and it's not close 🤔
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JeffB
Mobaigz6 wrote:
Ernie and Kenny at halftime were saying this would be a single digit game heading into the 4th, lol.

Chuck however was reluctant to change his mind and said it'll be a blowout since it's an emotional game. He still thinks we're the best team in the east and it's not close 🤔


Not close and then said it's a 4 team race. Chuck changes his mind on a weekly basis and contradicts himself all the time. I don't take him too seriously
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moremilk
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Not close and then said it's a 4 team race. Chuck changes his mind on a weekly basis and contradicts himself all the time. I don't take him too seriously


IMO it's close, but we definitely are the best team in the east. However, I think the 2nd best team is Boston, with Philly 3rd and Milwaukee 4th and Indiana a distant 5th. It may not finish like this at the end of the regular season, but that has more to do with injuries and Boston's difficult start.

Regardless of the order, the top 4 are pretty close so the semifinals and finals are going to be very difficult. Which is why it would be nice to get home court, as even a small edge could be decisive.


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JeffB
moremilk wrote:


IMO it's close, but we definitely are the best team in the east. However, I think the 2nd best team is Boston, with Philly 3rd and Milwaukee 4th and Indiana a distant 5th. It may not finish like this at the end of the regular season, but that has more to do with injuries and Boston's difficult start.

Regardless of the order, the top 4 are pretty close so the semifinals and finals are going to be very difficult. Which is why it would be nice to get home court, as even a small edge could be decisive.




Talent wise Boston is the better team. We have the best player but they have better overall talent imo. I don't think it matters where they finish, they'll get their shit together by the time the playoffs get here. And I suspect Ainge will make a move at the deadline.
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moremilk
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Talent wise Boston is the better team. We have the best player but they have better overall talent imo. I don't think it matters where they finish, they'll get their shit together by the time the playoffs get here. And I suspect Ainge will make a move at the deadline.


But the best player matters so much in the playoffs. And coaching, which is the main area of worry, with us having a rookie coach.

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duffer
i wish lowry would go (who wants him ?) he is done  give always are ridiculous at crucial times trying to be the hero
they will not win with him
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JeffB
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moremilk
duffer wrote:
i wish lowry would go (who wants him ?) he is done  give always are ridiculous at crucial times trying to be the hero
they will not win with him


wrong thread maybe?
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moremilk


hopefully that was before the game 😉
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LX
I’m really happy for DeMar. At this juncture it looks like we could have been as good or better without the changes. I really dislike the idea that it would have been insane to stay the course. To me that shows a weakness in Masai’s thinking, or more likely his ability to communicate his vision. In any case, there is time to see real improvements. There is no excuse for poor shooting and defense. To me there is no question they have the talent. But they have lacked cohesion and an overall identity, and it’s up to Nurse to do more than just say the shots will start falling eventually. There’s obviously so much more they need to get done, including getting Kyle fully back into form and getting everybody clear on the details essential to winning games. There’s been way to much searching for this and that. It’s time to regain a clear idea of what this team is capable of doing together. A loss to a Spurs team that is becoming the toughest out at home right now is no great shame. The shame is in the backsliding that has been going on for some time now. Now it’s time to look at changing that and peaking in time for the playoffs.

What bugs me is that the same sort of issues with either the offense or defense faltering persist from seasons past. I so much want to see strong defense being converted to successful offensive possessions and a confident offense playing a part in strengthening the defense through increased pressure on opposing offenses to keep pace. Instead the opposite happens. That has to be something that comes together for the playoffs or it’s going to be the same story except without Lebron as a roadblock, and that would be a step back, a wasted opportunity, and something closer to the definition of insanity in my mind.
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edki
LX wrote:
I’m really happy for DeMar. At this juncture it looks like we could have been as good or better without the changes. I really dislike the idea that it would have been insane to stay the course. To me that shows a weakness in Masai’s thinking, or more likely his ability to communicate his vision. In any case, there is time to see real improvements. There is no excuse for poor shooting and defense. To me there is no question they have the talent. But they have lacked cohesion and an overall identity, and it’s up to Nurse to do more than just say the shots will start falling eventually. There’s obviously so much more they need to get done, including getting Kyle fully back into form and getting everybody clear on the details essential to winning games. There’s been way to much searching for this and that. It’s time to regain a clear idea of what this team is capable of doing together. A loss to a Spurs team that is becoming the toughest out at home right now is no great shame. The shame is in the backsliding that has been going on for some time now. Now it’s time to look at changing that and peaking in time for the playoffs.

What bugs me is that the same sort of issues with either the offense or defense faltering persist from seasons past. I so much want to see strong defense being converted to successful offensive possessions and a confident offense playing a part in strengthening the defense through increased pressure on opposing offenses to keep pace. Instead the opposite happens. That has to be something that comes together for the playoffs or it’s going to be the same story except without Lebron as a roadblock, and that would be a step back, a wasted opportunity, and something closer to the definition of insanity in my mind.


This is confidence you are talking about. Players confident in their system and confident in their own ability to compete project this to others. Some guys have it in their DNA some need approval to start feeling confident.
Right now our secondary guys don’t feel confident.
It will take tremendous effort from the coaching staff and management to change this. If only we had time with Kawhi on the team to build this new culture. Unfortunately, it will only depend on how successful this year run going to be. If anything can keep Kawhi in Toronto it is success of this team. That’s why we can’t afford waiting for Wright, OG, Powell to develop their confidence.
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