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elT
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Our defense was better than Boston? We were watching different games....I guess that will be followed by a snide comment from you, but we played better defense in certain parts of the game but I think overall Boston was better on D tonight.


Defense is what got us back into the game, sole reason we had the lead in the first place. Our offense was generating great looks at times that we couldn't convert. Yes, Boston's defense was good as well. But when we were not being stupid on offense the generated shots were really good. Meanwhile, Boston was hitting a lot of shots that were defended quite well and was generally hot from outside (14/30 for 3) but still went to major offensive droughts that were direct result of our defense. They also got 14 offensive rebounds, especially with Bayness in.

The results are what the results are but the process on defense was superb tonight, for the most part.
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Mo_fusion
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Start picking your condiments


The fans took the DD trade hard. Let's no sugar coat that. Of course winning fixes any bad sentiment. Will the fans handle trading away KLow? Will they fully turn on Masai or did the DD trade set the groundwork for 'no one is safe, we are here to win' mentality?
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elT
Ball Don't Lie wrote:


He's got more cojones than anyone else on our bench, and he'd likely instantly be our best spot up shooter off the bench too. 

We need an upgrade no matter who it is, but the duel PG thing off the bench just isn't going to work in the playoffs, and eventually we're going to need a guy with no conscience to shoot us into a game in the playoffs. I know our starters will get the majority of the minutes, but you always need a Eddie House type that'll just let it fly when they're open. 


I'd be happy with a irrational confidence guy. Just don't want that guy to be JR Smith. It isn't that he is just repulsive and full of shit, he is damn dumb on the court, guy who made the biggest mistake in NBA finals history as recently as last June.

He is what you say he is, I just can't stand him.
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elT
Mo_fusion wrote:


The fans took the DD trade hard. Let's no sugar coat that. Of course winning fixes any bad sentiment. Will the fans handle trading away KLow? Will they fully turn on Masai or did the DD trade set the groundwork for 'no one is safe, we are here to win' mentality?


I was against the trade(jury still out). Never did it cross my mind to turn on Masai. Anyone with a brain cell could see why he made the trade, no matter if you agree or not. Even if fans turn on him, it won't take more than a three game win streak and an ESPN article for Raptors fans to lose their minds. Most of Raptors fans.
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dwchills
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Kyle Lowry is gone this summer no matter what Kawhi decides imo. I said this when he signed, I haven't seen anything to make me believe otherwise. He becomes an expiring contract and I don't think we want to sign him to another deal.


I agree
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dwchills
Ball Don't Lie wrote:
Honestly, if we cant get a guy like Tolliver or Ellington or Beverley, I'd look at acquiring or picking up JR Smith. I know it sounds insane, but he's not afraid of the bright lights, and he's made big shots when it counts, plus he'd provide spacing for us off of the bench. 


How about Jodie Meeks?
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edki
We are going to run Kawhi into the ground if he’s the only play we have in critical game minutes. Someone must step up and score every once in a while.
Our half court offence is a complete standstill even with Lowry on the court.

Is anyone on this forum still thinking that it is a matter of tough stretch with Lowry? I made my conclusion about him a year ago. He is extremely unstable player with huge up and down swings in his performance. Lowry is not going to bring any stability to this team. When he is playing well we are best team in the east. When he’s playing bad we are just another playoff team.

Sure Wright and FVV were weak, Siakam didn’t have his typical performance but these are your role players and they don’t make $30M a year. If Toronto are going all in an effort to retain Leonard they have to make decision about Lowry.
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LX
I’m more disappointed than upset. Disappointed that the team just wasn’t altogether there. But still it was competitive. Lowry told espn before the game that he isn’t 100% and that he is out of shape due to not being able to do anything for a month. If he is trying to catch up on conditioning now that could be taking a bit of a short term toll as well. He said that in the balance right now his rhythm has been effected. If he can find his true form then I think last night is a win. Fred looks not himself - at the very least rusty. They didn’t have as many options with OG out and that lead to Ibaka being stretched out in terms of minutes.

In the end Toronto missed too many wide open shots while Boston nailed all their samples as well as adding in some tough makes. Kyrie has played two of his best games I’ve ever seen from him in beating Toronto the last couple times out. Is that just him running hot against Toronto or Toronto not doing enough to effect his game? It’s definitely something they have to look at.

I thought some positives came with Siakam’s playmaking taking another step forward after stumbling a bit under the bright lights at the start. Norm continues to look good. And Ibaka played really hard and really well, even past the point where he was visibly running out of gas. We really missed good shooting from Kyle and Fred and probably didn’t play with enough pace too often, or with a good sense of what to do in halfcourt sets often enough. They got a ton of good feedback on what needs to come together and what needs to tighten up. They might have also seen enough to prompt a trade, but it would have to come with a good chance of proper integration. A lot of that in my mind comes down to whether we are going to see the real Kyle or not.
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edki
LX wrote:
A lot of that in my mind comes down to whether we are going to see the real Kyle or not.


You are seeing real Kyle. This is what we are going to see from him. Periods of brilliant basketball followed by longer stretches of mediocrity. Whatever the reasons may be, health, mental preparation, personal issues... Lowry is not reliable. We might still have great regular season record and go deep into playoffs but in most important games under pressure you know he is not going to perform at the star level.

I’m not sure if there is a good trade possibility at the deadline but Toronto must explore the opportunities.
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LX
edki wrote:


You are seeing real Kyle. This is what we are going to see from him. Periods of brilliant basketball followed by longer stretches of mediocrity. Whatever the reasons may be, health, mental preparation, personal issues... Lowry is not reliable. We might still have great regular season record and go deep into playoffs but in most important games under pressure you know he is not going to perform at the star level.

I’m not sure if there is a good trade possibility at the deadline but Toronto must explore the opportunities.


Naw. The real Kyle impacts games one way or another in a positive way. Even now he is doing so. But they really need his shooting to return. Our two best high volume shooters from distance have had their shooting drop off a cliff. That’s shitty as hell. And it’s a bit inexplicable. But if they can get both guys healthy then there’s a chance that returns.
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Pzabby_2nd
edki wrote:


You are seeing real Kyle. This is what we are going to see from him. Periods of brilliant basketball followed by longer stretches of mediocrity. Whatever the reasons may be, health, mental preparation, personal issues... Lowry is not reliable. We might still have great regular season record and go deep into playoffs but in most important games under pressure you know he is not going to perform at the star level.

I’m not sure if there is a good trade possibility at the deadline but Toronto must explore the opportunities.


This is called historical revisionism.
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edki
Pzabby_2nd wrote:


This is called historical revisionism.


why my point of view is so revisionist?

Let's start with the basic question:
do you believe Lowry is going thru temporary struggle or it is systematic inconsistent performance issue?
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elT
edki wrote:


why my point of view is so revisionist?

Let's start with the basic question:
do you believe Lowry is going thru temporary struggle or it is systematic inconsistent performance issue?


Temporary struggle caused by injury, which might have not healed yet and his conditioning and rhythm are way off.
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JeffB
Might see McCaw tonight
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deaner
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
Might see McCaw tonight


I was thinking hst too. Hope so... before Miles.
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