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JeffB
LX wrote:


Wtf? You point out that it was meaningless and are glad that nobody got hurt. What do you think is the purpose of a scrimmage? I wouldn’t say this meant nothing, nor did I, as you just did. There was plenty of meaning to be ascertained. The loss in and of itself means about zilch. They got a lot of good minutes at a decent level of competition without putting everything at risk by having an unnecessarily competitive mindset wherein a win somehow matters more than simply getting better and staying healthy.

But thanks for showing your true colors and being entirely dismissive. Look, you’re in a shitty mood. You wanted a W. Fine. Why does that mean my analysis is pure shit? Because it lessens your need to be in a shitty mood? Why do you need to be in a shitty mood? You don’t. You should value yourself more than that. I mean fuck - I value you more than that. Think of how fucked up that is. Just cheer the fuck up already.


Haahh,we get this every game we lose. Some are upset, have angst, others are neutral and shrug it off and a few others never think anything is a big deal and minimize everything and like calling it a scrimmage or meaningless or the team was maybe bored?

I'm not even that upset at this game. Probably, the least upset I've been over a loss all season. As for this full throttle BS, who cares?
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LX
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Can't wait to see all these gears we're gonna get to.


If you haven’t seen some already then I have to wonder why you are a fan at all. Or considering how wonderful some of those gears have been, i have to question if you really like basketball.

You posted something today about how the Raptors with Gasol on the court equate to a 73 win team. And now you get all shitfaced sarcastic about this team’s ability to get to higher gears than tonight? Mood swings much?

I saw the previous loss to the Hornets live. I saw an out of shape Lowry on an iffy ankle simply not move on defense, until the last second if he had to run out to a three point shooter, and when he did that he fell to prevent himself from putting any more stress on the ankle. I can tell you for certain that was not his highest gear. He was in there to get into game shape and get some offensive rhythm. Tonight the overall emphasis was likely on offense. They were up against a team that needed to defend with conviction. Defending the Hornets uber-well would not serve that much of a purpose, though they were still able to gain some lessons as to where they need to communicate better and execute better as a whole. Why is it so hard to see that? If you don’t want to see it, then hear Nurse talk about how they are just going with rudimentary shit and not giving up all kinds of shit to teams scouting them.
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LX
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Haahh,we get this every game we lose. Some are upset, have angst, others are neutral and shrug it off and a few others never think anything is a big deal and minimize everything and like calling it a scrimmage or meaningless or the team was maybe bored?

I'm not even that upset at this game. Probably, the least upset I've been over a loss all season. As for this full throttle BS, who cares?


So why are you insistent on being dismissive of my viewpoints? Am i really minimizing? Minimizing everything? Because there really is some crisis at hand? You know for certain that the mental approach was to win at all costs? And yet you are not upset? What’s your fucking point in being so aghast at my not being upset? Fuck me.
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JeffB
LX wrote:


If you haven’t seen some already then I have to wonder why you are a fan at all. Or considering how wonderful some of those gears have been, i have to question if you really like basketball.

You posted something today about how the Raptors with Gasol on the court equate to a 73 win team. And now you get all shitfaced sarcastic about this team’s ability to get to higher gears than tonight? Mood swings much?

I saw the previous loss to the Hornets live. I saw an out of shape Lowry on an iffy ankle simply not move on defense, until the last second if he had to run out to a three point shooter, and when he did that he fell to prevent himself from putting any more stress on the ankle. I can tell you for certain that was not his highest gear. He was in there to get into game shape and get some offensive rhythm. Tonight the overall emphasis was likely on offense. They were up against a team that needed to defend with conviction. Defending the Hornets uber-well would not serve that much of a purpose, though they were still able to gain some lessons as to where they need to communicate better and execute better as a whole. Why is it so hard to see that? If you don’t want to see it, then hear Nurse talk about how they are just going with rudimentary shit and not giving up all kinds of shit to teams scouting them.


Sarcastic? I was being dead serious, I can't wait...I also pointed out 8 days until the playoffs. I agree, there is another gear or two they can get to. And I never said anything about gears or regular season or not seeing gears...wtf you talking about?

As for not defending uber-well tonight not serving a purpose, really? You make it sound as if Nurse before the game said, only worry about offense tonight boys, defense don't mean much. I don't think teams this time of year want to have that attitude, coaches certainly shouldn't. I know you like to be "Uber" positive but that's a reach, we had an off night defensively. It's ok to admit that, the Raptor police won't come to your house to punish you.
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Wu
The fuck is with this thread and all the angst?  Come on, people.  Relax and enjoy, think of the lean years this org has gone through.
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Northern Neighbour
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Full throttle doesn't mean playing playoff minutes. It means playing pretty much the same minutes as they usually play during the season. If you're idea of full throttle in game 80 is 38-40min I don't know what to tell you. Not sure why you're comparing playoff minutes to this game in order to fit your narative. And saying Siakam and Leonard playing a couple minutes below their averages means much, come on. All I'm saying is they played to win this game. When you play to win in a game like this and nobody is resting it's pretty full throttle (it's not a good or bad thing, who cares?). And I believe you're the one overreacting here to a few people saying we went all out to win, this isn't a big deal.



Going “full throttle” consists of a lot of things. I used minutes to demonstrate how Tommy’s use of it was flawed. If the team was in full throttle mode, then yes minutes would be a factor. Yes, it means the team’s best players seeing a lot more burn than they did today. Why? Because going “full throttle” means the team had every intent of winning the game, winning every quarter, and winning every minute. It would mean the team using its most effective lineups and players instead of giving a lot of PT to end-of-the-bench guys.

Did the team try to win? Of course they did. Did they try 100% to win it, which means going “full throttle”? The evidence suggests otherwise.



And if you don’t think playoff minutes and rotations will be different, then I don’t know what to say to you other than that you continue to live in this pessimistic, the-grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side bubble.

And yet, you often say that what matters is the playoffs, but you treat a meaningless regular-season game like it’s due or die. So yeah, you constantly and ALWAYS overreact to things no matter how irrelevant it is.
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JeffB
Wu wrote:
The fuck is with this thread and all the angst?  Come on, people.  Relax and enjoy, think of the lean years this org has gone through.


Is it really even agnst? Someone brought up full throttle and it started a shouting match about what defines full throttle in game 80. 😂

Can't wait for the playoffs.
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Northern Neighbour
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Is it really even agnst? Someone brought up full throttle and it started a shouting match about what defines full throttle in game 80. 😂

Can't wait for the playoffs.


No, it started when poster a tried to argue against poster b about the seriousness of this game and how poster b could be so nonchalant about a loss. Then “full throttle” was raised. No, I’m not talking about you, LX, or me.
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LX
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Sarcastic? I was being dead serious, I can't wait...I also pointed out 8 days until the playoffs. I agree, there is another gear or two they can get to. And I never said anything about gears or regular season or not seeing gears...wtf you talking about?

As for not defending uber-well tonight not serving a purpose, really? You make it sound as if Nurse before the game said, only worry about offense tonight boys, defense don't mean much. I don't think teams this time of year want to have that attitude, coaches certainly shouldn't. I know you like to be "Uber" positive but that's a reach, we had an off night defensively. It's ok to admit that, the Raptor police won't come to your house to punish you.


Fuck it man. Everything has to end up being incredibly dismissive. Just read what I said. They are not making use of anything close to a full defensive gameplan. But no you have to paint everything I say as ridiculous. You say I always look at a loss as a scrimmage or whatever and gloss over shit. You basically just take thoughtful posts and tell me to shut up. Maybe you don’t think you are doing that, but that’s exactly how it comes off.

I have had plenty of concerns throughout the season. I worried about how there seemed to be two different ways of playing with one being team oriented and not involving Kawhi so much and one involving Kawhi going solo a lot. Those concerns have been put to rest. One concern centered around the full roster not getting any real opportunity to develop a solid identity due to loads and injuries. Since the Gasol trade it has become apparent that there is so much bbiq that they can figure anything out. That concern has more than subsided, though as I’ve said, it would have still been so nice if they could have all had more time together (and hopefully they stil will). I have been concerned about OG having an up and down season for different reasons. I am still a bit disappointed that he looks like he probably won’t get a chance to take a verifiable step forward, but he still might get a chance in some big moments and doesn’t appear to be taking any step backwards. And I was worried that Ibaka’s strong season might take a downturn after he was asked to do so much after Jonas’ injury and then was asked to take a role off the bench. That concern has subsided. And nothing that had worried me previously cropped up in this game that was a fucking scrimmage by all accounts in the players and coaches minds. Not because my ridiculously positive simpleton brain thinks so, but because THEY FUCKING SAID SO THEMSELVES!

OK? So my “bubblegum and rainbows” bug your ass so much that I should just shut the fuck up? I’ll go the other way with you and ask you to please explain what concerns you about how they played tonight to the point where my analysis proves to be so goddamn useless for any real fan like yourself?

And sorry for taking your comment about gears as being sarcastic. I appreciate that you were making an effort to not be all gloomy. But once I feel that well-thought out posts are so quickly dismissed for no apparent reason then it’s hard not to see anything coming from a guy predicting so much trouble without analysis to explain it as being shitty sarcasm. I am honestly sorry for getting thrown in that direction, and take some responsibility for being too quick to improperly judge where you were going with your comment, especially since the quality of your posts have improved overall, and it’s great to see that maybe you’ve become a fan of the trade. We don’t seem to be that far off in our viewpoints, and if you explain the reasons for differences I have no issue with the differences on their own. So it can be maddening to have he guy that basically agrees and posts more than everyone combined to try to shut down contributions. I just don’t get it. Needless.
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shadowfax
only saw bits and pieces of the game but what little i did see, i really liked

playoffs please
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LX
I just wanted to note that I apologized to jeff. And i have now come back and edited my post to make an apology that is more deeply felt with a cooler head. It would be very helpful for my head to cool much further if i could see an apology come my way. Even an apology which could possibly be seen as disingenuous would go a long way for me. I’m sure mine could be seen as disingenuous in a certain light. I would appreciate any reassurance that jeff did not simply mean to act like a dick towards me, and i say reassurance, because I do not think that is his intention at all. Please let that not be me just being overly positive about everything or I will need to ram my head through a wall.
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Jakkal

LX I think we all appreciate that you made an apology.

I've found that pounding brick/concrete walls or trees with my fists until they bleed can be very satisfying and de-stressing. Don't do it with your head though. I know from personal experience, that isn't a good thing to do. 

Can't wait for playoffs to begin.

 

 

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LX
https://theathletic.com/908552/2019/04/05/10-observations-raptors-have-some-very-real-if-minor-flaws-heading-into-the-playoffs/

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The Raptors had far less incentive than their opponents in each of the last three games. That they were a few possessions away from sweeping the contests is a credit to the team’s overall professionalism.

That professionalism waned Friday night in a 113-111 loss in Charlotte, after the Raptors handled the Magic on Monday and the Nets on Wednesday. Ball movement waned in the second half, the Raptors were slow on several closeouts as the Hornets got off 13 more 3-pointers, hitting four more than the Raptors, and some silly turnovers returned after a few games of healthy risk management. Of course, you might expect these things when the only tangible thing a team has to play for is home-court advantage in a hypothetical NBA Finals.

Nonetheless, some very real flaws for this team showed up throughout the loss. Let’s get straight to the observations.

1. The Raptors failed to execute defensively for a lot of the second half, and that was typified by the final two plays. On both plays, the whole goal was to deny Kemba Walker a path to the rim. Walker is brilliant, so easier said than done. In both instances, Walker got to drive vertically instead of just horizontally. On the first play, Fred VanVleet failed to move quickly enough, and Walker got a simple layup. After Leonard gave the Raptors a one-point lead on the next possession, the Raptors again failed to get the ball out of Walker’s hands outside of the paint, with the point guard getting around Pascal Siakam. Accordingly, the Raptors helped too much — Kawhi Leonard, particularly — and Jeremy Lamb was left with a far easier shot to win the game than he needed a few weeks back in Toronto. Walker is an All-Star; stopping him isn’t easy. The Raptors should have the defensive capability and intelligence to make things a little harder on him. Overall, the Raptors rank fifth in defensive efficiency, falling to seventh in clutch scenarios.

2. The Raptors were not pounded on the offensive glass, but they gave up a few costly buckets in that area, too. Rebounding was part of the reason the Hornets stayed in the game early on, and Lamb was able to follow up his own miss with a rebound and layup in the third quarter, when he helped swing the game. That rebound was especially galling, as it looked like Jeremy Lin, who was awful in his 10 minutes, just did not follow Lamb after contesting the shot. It is one thing to have a ball bounce the wrong way or to lose position on the glass because you helped a defender. This just seemed like a lack of effort.

3. You got a sense of how some teams are going to look to attack the Raptors when Marc Gasol is on the floor in the second quarter. For two consecutive possessions, the Hornets run very simple pick and rolls with Walker as the ballhandler and Frank Kaminsky as the screener. The Hornets looked for the advantage, strung the defenders out as far as possible and then had Walker make the decision. On the first, after getting the desired switch, Walker hit a midrange jumper. On the next, Walker kept his dribble alive long enough to force Gasol to take another half-step toward him, and then passed to Kaminsky, who hit the quick push shot. It is a reality of playing a slower centre, and Gasol brings so much to the offence that the Raptors will live with it. At times, though, playoff opponents will frustrate the Raptors with the simplest play in the book.

4. Nick Nurse continues to try Pascal Siakam as the lone starter in an otherwise all-bench unit. Given that he is the team’s second-leading scorer, it makes some sense, but to my eyes, the lineup has not looked entirely effective. Well, it turns out that the Raptors have played 259 minutes with Siakam and none of Gasol, Leonard, Danny Green and Kyle Lowry. They are allowing 105.6 points per 100 possessions and scoring 102.5 points. The Raptors played the end of the first and third quarters with that lineup. Charlotte outscored them 15-8. Turnovers were a problem, as you might expect. I don’t think Siakam is particularly to blame, as bench-heavy lineups in all forms have struggled this year, even with Kyle Lowry. Still, Siakam is not exactly a steadying force. Despite Serge Ibaka’s 22 points, the Raptors bench was still outscored by its counterpart 59-40. Every Raptors reserve had a negative plus-minus, while every starter was neutral or better.

5. We have spent a lot of time talking about Siakam’s improvement, but not much of that has focused on his free-throw shooting. It makes sense: If Siakam is getting better as a 3-point shooter, it stands to reason that he would be getting better at the stripe, too. After shooting 62.1 percent last year, he entered Friday’s game at 78.2 percent for this season. Seeing as he has gone from 1.9 attempts from the line to 4.3 per 36 minutes, that timing is pretty auspicious. Siakam hit both of his free throws against the Hornets.

6. Continuation Watch: Again, we have no clue what constitutes continuation. Walker’s attempt late in the first quarter was dishonest and disingenuous, but absolutely was a shooting attempt. Walker was pretty much in shooting motion even before he touched the ball. Yet, the referees called VanVleet’s foul as being on the ground, not in the act of shooting. I’d love for referees to be able to call the game based on common sense, but that is obviously not going to happen. Unless VanVleet was grabbing Walker before the catch, which I didn’t see, I think that has to be a shooting foul.

7. OG Anunoby returned to the Raptors lineup after missing four consecutive games with concussion-like symptoms. It would have been nice to see him hit some 3-pointers, but Anunoby picked up where he left off defensively, which is by far the most important thing. In the second quarter, he stepped in so deftly to take a charge that Sportsnet analyst Leo Rautins understandably mistook him for Lowry. He also did some nice one-on-one work. Anunoby has to be a two-way player to get heavy minutes in the playoffs, but one of those ways is far more important than the other. Anunoby had four points in 16 minutes.

8. I have no way to prove this, but I really do think Leonard gets fewer calls when he attacks the paint than most wing superstars. I think it is his fault for being so sturdy. For his first bucket, he drove into the heart of the defence, creating a lane for himself, and then finished at the rim after a quick stop. During that stop, he clearly took some contact, because how could he not have? Miles Bridges was trailing Leonard and had to keep running to challenge the shot. Leonard let out some sort of scream to indicate he felt contact, but nothing. Dude is too strong — it just does not look like he is being affected by the contact, so it becomes less obvious to call.

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moremilk
I have plenty of worries too, but I generally shrug them off as regular season issues. I have no doubt that some are real, I just have no way to telling.

Only the playoffs will tell, I am dying to see how this team does in a playoff game.
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Raptorman
'yoffs now pls.
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