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Northern Neighbour
Pzabby_2nd wrote:


Centers take a long time to develop. Especially when you're looking at one to take over the role gasol plays on the defensive end, and facilitating role on the offensive end.

I'm thinking a consolidating trade could be made for a decent center for some of our young and impressing bench pieces in the future?


Exactly who would you trade from the Raptors and who would be a target? Would other teams value the likes of Boucher, Davis II, and RHJ as much as the Raptors do? Probably not. Plus, the Raps may think some of the youngsters, in particular Davis II, are too valuable since they are part of the succession planning, too, since Lowry is 33 and FVV is an UFA after the season. In today's NBA, perimeter players have greater value than centres. Finding a player that brings the intangibles, skills, and intelligence that Gasol does will be extremely difficult. There aren't many players like Gasol. 
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7shikamaru7
Can we trade for LaMarcus Aldridge? Better offensively (not passing), but not defensively (maybe a better rebounder).

Gasol + 1st rnd pick for Aldridge +2nd rnd pick.

Spurs get a serviceable big man and free space for next year.

Klow/Davis
FVV/Norm/Thomas
OG/RHJ
Siakam/Boucher
Aldridge/Ibaka

I dont think Aldridge can defend big guys like Embiid and Vooch, so we might get someone like Gortat before the playoffs as insurance.

Another option is Love but that would kill our cap space in 2021 and he isn't much of a C.
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JeffB
7shikamaru7 wrote:
Can we trade for LaMarcus Aldridge? Better offensively (not passing), but not defensively (maybe a better rebounder).

Gasol + 1st rnd pick for Aldridge +2nd rnd pick.

Spurs get a serviceable big man and free space for next year.

Klow/Davis
FVV/Norm/Thomas
OG/RHJ
Siakam/Boucher
Aldridge/Ibaka

I dont think Aldridge can defend big guys like Embiid and Vooch, so we might get someone like Gortat before the playoffs as insurance.

Another option is Love but that would kill our cap space in 2021 and he isn't much of a C.


No thanks, I'd keep Gasol...and no thanks to Kevin Love.
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Mo_fusion
 The above small sample of posts just goes to showcase the real value Gasol brings to the team 😉
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Pzabby_2nd
I like gasol until 2021. I'm talking about after.

I also meant consolidating our bench into a talent like gasol at center by throwing in a pick. At that point, if we're consolidating talent it means we've done well enough that we're contending. Ergo our pick is less important to us.

Would vucevic somehow be possible? How's his defence?
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Northern Neighbour
Aldridge doesn't make the Raptors a better team, and the Raps would need to significantly alter its offence to accommodate Aldridge's low-post game. Aldridge also isn't a great defender and neither is Gortat. Like Jeff, I would rather keep Gasol. The Raps' 2020 1st-round pick should also not be on the table. This team is in transition.

Back to PZ, like LX mentioned, the Raps are likely looking at the 2020 or 2021 Draft to find their centre of the future unless Hernandez develops into that player over the next year or two. This definitely could be the outcome given success of the Raptors' player development program. There's no rush to acquire a young centre this year. The urgency picks up a year or two from now, depending on what happens with Gasol and Ibaka. 
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Pzabby_2nd
Aldridge doesn't make the Raptors a better team, and the Raps would need to significantly alter its offence to accommodate Aldridge's low-post game. Aldridge also isn't a great defender and neither is Gortat. Like Jeff, I would rather keep Gasol. The Raps' 2020 1st-round pick should also not be on the table. This team is in transition.

Back to PZ, like LX mentioned, the Raps are likely looking at the 2020 or 2021 Draft to find their centre of the future unless Hernandez develops into that player over the next year or two. This definitely could be the outcome given success of the Raptors' player development program. There's no rush to acquire a young centre this year. The urgency picks up a year or two from now, depending on what happens with Gasol and Ibaka. 


I just don't see how a young center can, by 2021-2022 fill Gasol's role as a starting center. We'd soonest draft him in 2020, and he'd have one season to learn from Gasol? To develop the defensive instincts of a former DPOY to work in Nurse's fluid defensive schemes? To open up passing lanes like a big Nash? I just don't see it happening in time.
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Northern Neighbour
Pzabby_2nd wrote:


I just don't see how a young center can, by 2021-2022 fill Gasol's role as a starting center. We'd soonest draft him in 2020, and he'd have one season to learn from Gasol? To develop the defensive instincts of a former DPOY to work in Nurse's fluid defensive schemes? To open up passing lanes like a big Nash? I just don't see it happening in time.


As I said before, there aren't many centres that can do what Gasol does. There are very few big men that can pass the ball like a guard and be a defensive stalwart. These guys are extremely rare because they have extremely high basketball IQs and tremendous instincts; these traits cannot be taught nor learned.

At this moment, only Jokic and Horford have these skills. Now, there are great centres in the league, but they have limitations. Embiid is a stellar player - terrific offensive and defensive player but not a great passer nor facilitator. KAT is more of a scorer and has improved as a passer. He isn't, however, a great defensive player. Anthony Davis prefers to play PF, but he can play C and do a lot of what Gasol does, although he's a slightly above-average passer. Gobert is a defensive stopper that offers just enough offensively. Vucevic gives you scoring and good passing, but only adequate defence. Andre Drummond is a very good passer and an excellent shot blocker, but his overall defence is so-so and his offensive game is really limited. 

Most centres are bangers, rebounders, and screen setters and for obvious reasons. Having a Gasol is a luxury that few teams have and will ever have.  
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Pzabby_2nd


As I said before, there aren't many centres that can do what Gasol does. There are very few big men that can pass the ball like a guard and be a defensive stalwart. These guys are extremely rare because they have extremely high basketball IQs and tremendous instincts; these traits cannot be taught nor learned.

At this moment, only Jokic and Horford have these skills. Now, there are great centres in the league, but they have limitations. Embiid is a stellar player - terrific offensive and defensive player but not a great passer nor facilitator. KAT is more of a scorer and has improved as a passer. He isn't, however, a great defensive player. Anthony Davis prefers to play PF, but he can play C and do a lot of what Gasol does, although he's a slightly above-average passer. Gobert is a defensive stopper that offers just enough offensively. Vucevic gives you scoring and good passing, but only adequate defence. Andre Drummond is a very good passer and an excellent shot blocker, but his overall defence is so-so and his offensive game is really limited. 

Most centres are bangers, rebounders, and screen setters and for obvious reasons. Having a Gasol is a luxury that few teams have and will ever have.  


Then we may have to need Siakam to improve his passing, and get a center who can play good mobile defence (not just man to man; looking at you JV) and score downlow.
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moremilk
one thing about Gasol, he will never hurt his ankles - pretty difficult to do it if you never lift off the floor 🙂
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moremilk
Pzabby_2nd wrote:


Then we may have to need Siakam to improve his passing, and get a center who can play good mobile defence (not just man to man; looking at you JV) and score downlow.


As I said before, there aren't many centres that can do what Gasol does. There are very few big men that can pass the ball like a guard and be a defensive stalwart. These guys are extremely rare because they have extremely high basketball IQs and tremendous instincts; these traits cannot be taught nor learned.

At this moment, only Jokic and Horford have these skills. Now, there are great centres in the league, but they have limitations. Embiid is a stellar player - terrific offensive and defensive player but not a great passer nor facilitator. KAT is more of a scorer and has improved as a passer. He isn't, however, a great defensive player. Anthony Davis prefers to play PF, but he can play C and do a lot of what Gasol does, although he's a slightly above-average passer. Gobert is a defensive stopper that offers just enough offensively. Vucevic gives you scoring and good passing, but only adequate defence. Andre Drummond is a very good passer and an excellent shot blocker, but his overall defence is so-so and his offensive game is really limited. 

Most centres are bangers, rebounders, and screen setters and for obvious reasons. Having a Gasol is a luxury that few teams have and will ever have.  


sabonis has a chance to be a guy like that, or at least close enough. Doesn't quite have the same size, but in today's league, he's probably big enough.
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elT
Aldridge is old, slow and extremely inconsistent now but still very demanding and a difficult fit. No freaking way no thanks. 

Northern is right, these guys like Gasol are extremely rare. Even Jokic with his all time great offense gives you adequate defense at best.

Our best hope is for Siakam to grow into full time play maker and then have personnel at C that fit into that scheme. After that we likely end up with one athletic big like Ibaka and one banger big like JV that we can fit both in the cap and on the court and use as necessary. Finding a younger Gasol or Horford or Green would be next level lottery jack pot with rest of the team.
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