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dwchills
LX wrote:


he got a step on Green. It was somewhat there for him. It looked like he lost a bit of confidence after the turnover previously.


Agreed
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Ball Don't Lie
We need to clean up the overhelping from the wings and weakside corner when guards are penetrating on pick and roll. It seemed as though Pop told Mills and Demar to drive hard at Ibaka and then the weakside would be open, and it was basically every play they ran high pick and roll with Belinelli and Bertans getting open far too often. Green and Siakim were the main culprits tonight. 

I liked how Lowry played tonight. He was aggressive from the beginning and made a lot of little plays that mattered. He and OG seem to be rounding into form. Lin saved us in the 4th on offence. 




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Also, I've never seen a player who was out of bounds get one foot in, touch the ball, and it not be called out of bounds due to the player not establishing position. I thought that they made that a rule where you had to establish both feet in bounds first before being able to touch the ball? I was shocked we got the ball back. Then all 3 refs missed the back court violation too. It seems Marc Davis still hates Derozan. It was nice to be on the good end of bad refereeing at the end of a close game.

What an appropriate ending with Demar choking the game away and Kawhi winning it for us in the clutch. 
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moremilk
Ball Don't Lie wrote:
Also, I've never seen a player who was out of bounds get one foot in, touch the ball, and it not be called out of bounds due to the player not establishing position. I thought that they made that a rule where you had to establish both feet in bounds first before being able to touch the ball? I was shocked we got the ball back. Then all 3 refs missed the back court violation too. It seems Marc Davis still hates Derozan. It was nice to be on the good end of bad refereeing at the end of a close game.

What an appropriate ending with Demar choking the game away and Kawhi winning it for us in the clutch. 


I don't know if they're allowed to review if it's not called on the floor - not every call is reviewable, even in the last 2 minutes.

Afaik, that's normally called out of bounds, so either they change the rules or there was some technicality involved. Seems odd they wouldn't reverse it if it was reviewable, not like there was any doubt about lowry having only one foot in.

I was disappointed we didn't go at demar more often, we had a lot of success when we did but we rarely kept at it.

At least we won … another win in the books, even though it's less and less important. But getting to 60 wins would be nice.
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LX
I also thought two feet had to be established inbounds. The noncall on the backcourt violation was explained by Mark Jones on espn, but i didn’t quite catch it. I guess as well as passing to the backcourt on inbounds plays, you can dribble it into the backcourt as well?
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LX
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rb
I was impressed by Adrian Griffins command of the game after Nurse’s ejection, he had some great ATO’s that led to easy buckets
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LX
The explanation on the no call on backcourt violation, from the L2M report

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Leonard (TOR) never has possession in the frontcourt when he makes contact with the inbound pass and his momentum carries him into the backcourt, where the pass was directed, and he establishes a positive position and legally gains possession. During inbound passes that are directed to the backcourt in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter and overtime periods, frontcourt or backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half.
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deaner
LX wrote:
The explanation on the no call on backcourt violation, from the L2M report



Radio had this covered in real time. Don’t know why TV didn’t.
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LX
deaner wrote:


Radio had this covered in real time. Don’t know why TV didn’t.


Espn did, but i missed the details.
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Leonard (TOR) never has possession in the frontcourt when he makes contact with the inbound pass and his momentum carries him into the backcourt, where the pass was directed, and he establishes a positive position and legally gains possession. During inbound passes that are directed to the backcourt in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter and overtime periods, frontcourt or backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half.


The NBA seems to be very liberal with their rulings this season. This seems to be the inbounds/back court version of the Beal travelling play, where a player either 'never has possession' or 'fumbles' the ball and can break the rules, but then when plays like this happen, guys like Harden see it and bend the rules until the rule is broken. The stepback 3 is at this point as well with the gather step, which has essentially turned into a 3rd step on a lot of plays. Soon enough guys are going to be taking 4 steps and we're going to call it a gather step with a half step and players can take as many steps as they want.

Just because Kawhi didn't have two hands on the ball doesn't mean he didn't have possession of the ball. Even after watching the replay I feel like we got away with two blown calls with the Lowry out of bounds play and then this Kawhi play. 
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elT
Ball Don't Lie wrote:


The NBA seems to be very liberal with their rulings this season. This seems to be the inbounds/back court version of the Beal travelling play, where a player either 'never has possession' or 'fumbles' the ball and can break the rules, but then when plays like this happen, guys like Harden see it and bend the rules until the rule is broken. The stepback 3 is at this point as well with the gather step, which has essentially turned into a 3rd step on a lot of plays. Soon enough guys are going to be taking 4 steps and we're going to call it a gather step with a half step and players can take as many steps as they want.

Just because Kawhi didn't have two hands on the ball doesn't mean he didn't have possession of the ball. Even after watching the replay I feel like we got away with two blown calls with the Lowry out of bounds play and then this Kawhi play. 


Giannis is doing that all the time already. Sucks.
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