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JeffB
Raptorman wrote:


And lost.  He gets the Iverson Award of the night.


He needs to gtfo of Charlotte. He's being wasted there
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3forthewin
How come Kawhi didn't travel with the team and sit on the bench tonight? I'm assuming that's the Raptors flying him home to be more comfortable rather than traveling with the team. Or is he receiving treatments in Toronto?
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moremilk
LX wrote:


C’mon. Seriously? You’re going to say he’s just become less of a basketball player? Good theory. Injuries have a lasting effect. First you play differently while playing through them. Then you need to get back your normal rhythm and confidence when recovered. Things take time. And Nurse said he’s been dealing with more aches and pains than just the toe. So far this game he’s pulled up more than forcing things at the rim, where his balance and feel has been off.


The theory I was referring to was that he is still suffering from the injury. Leo or Devlin mentioned that in the celtics game - saying that a toe injury makes it hard to shoot the ball. Clearly that's not the case, especially given he made a lot of 3s the next day.

Most likely explanation is still the same, he's trying to do to much and he's domination ball too much. Not surprisingly, his best game today, he played off the ball lot.
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Ball Don't Lie
moremilk wrote:


The theory I was referring to was that he is still suffering from the injury. Leo or Devlin mentioned that in the celtics game - saying that a toe injury makes it hard to shoot the ball. Clearly that's not the case, especially given he made a lot of 3s the next day.

Most likely explanation is still the same, he's trying to do to much and he's domination ball too much. Not surprisingly, his best game today, he played off the ball lot.


He played against a bunch of G leaguers today. I think it's very clear that there's something wrong with him physically, but you're also right in that he has tried to force a lot of his offence this year. It can be both things, but hopefully this game is a step in the right direction in getting him back into the rhythm of the offence. 
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JeffB
3forthewin wrote:
How come Kawhi didn't travel with the team and sit on the bench tonight? I'm assuming that's the Raptors flying him home to be more comfortable rather than traveling with the team. Or is he receiving treatments in Toronto?


I think he went ahead to Orlando or he stayed at the hotel. He has yet to sit on the bench in any game he was rested.
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3forthewin
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


I think he went ahead to Orlando or he stayed at the hotel. He has yet to sit on the bench in any game he was rested.


That confuses me a bit, wouldn't you want to be there with your team? I can understand a little more in the games he stayed back in Toronto but when he's already on the road with them I don't get it.
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LX
3forthewin wrote:


That confuses me a bit, wouldn't you want to be there with your team? I can understand a little more in the games he stayed back in Toronto but when he's already on the road with them I don't get it.


DeMar tended not to be on the bench when injured iirc. Even for home games. Too tough not to be contributing on the court. It can also be time well-used for treatments or workouts.
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JeffB
LX wrote:


DeMar tended not to be on the bench when injured iirc. Even for home games. Too tough not to be contributing on the court. It can also be time well-used for treatments or workouts.


DeMar would often just stay in the locker room and watch the game with the trainers. I remember watching footage of that on open gym. Also, if the games were at home he'd get treatment, workout upstairs before coming down and watching from the locker room.
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LX
moremilk wrote:


The theory I was referring to was that he is still suffering from the injury. Leo or Devlin mentioned that in the celtics game - saying that a toe injury makes it hard to shoot the ball. Clearly that's not the case, especially given he made a lot of 3s the next day.

Most likely explanation is still the same, he's trying to do to much and he's domination ball too much. Not surprisingly, his best game today, he played off the ball lot.


It clearly was the case for long enough that there were lingering effects. And he still hasn’t been moving as well as before the injury, which effects his defense and ability to be effective at the rim. Hubie mentioned itvas a problem as well. Guys that have played and coached have some understanding of these things. It’s not a case of trying to solve some mystery, or to find a theory that provides a viable explanation - it’s just the obvious effects.

Having the ball too much doesn’t help so much either, but that was somewhat a result of circumstances due to other guys being injured. Having him start was a really good idea, in that it cleared up all sense of being effected by circumstances. He didn’t need to assert his leadership so much (and let’s not forget how valuable his leadership has been). And it made things easier for Lowry as well. Maybe how they played as a unit last night could be instructive to Kawhi.
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moremilk
I think it's very fair to assume there are lingering effects, but in the sense that he's rusty, not that he's still in pain. It would be odd to give him more minutes if he still experiences pain in that toe, since I'd assume that heavier minutes would not help healing. If he's rusty, getting more minutes will help return to 100%. 

On a different note, I really like Lloyd, he was very good considering it's his first game. He has very good size, was aggressive at both ends and had some nice rebounds in traffic. Competition was weak though, brown had his best game of the season as well.
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LX
moremilk wrote:
I think it's very fair to assume there are lingering effects, but in the sense that he's rusty, not that he's still in pain. It would be odd to give him more minutes if he still experiences pain in that toe, since I'd assume that heavier minutes would not help healing. If he's rusty, getting more minutes will help return to 100%. 

On a different note, I really like Lloyd, he was very good considering it's his first game. He has very good size, was aggressive at both ends and had some nice rebounds in traffic. Competition was weak though, brown had his best game of the season as well.


For some reason you are completely ignoring how i provided information that it was more than just the toe. Turns out the whole left side of his body has felt the effects, as will happen.

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Injuries are definitely a factor in VanVleet’s struggles. He missed four games early in the season with a sprained toe, but his injuries go beyond that. Nurse said if the Raptors had not been suffering from so many injuries already, VanVleet probably would have been given a game or two off this week. Instead, the Raptors will sit him down during practices for the short term — maybe two days in the Florida sun will speed up his recovery — and hope that is enough. If not, they will give him some games off, which would ideally come as the Raptors litany of wing players return to action. (Miles and Anunoby could return as soon as Tuesday in Orlando, while Powell is ahead of schedule with his injury.)

“It’s just nicks and bruises. There’s nothing structurally there. It’s just something I have to continue to keep working through, rehabbing and strengthening,” VanVleet told The Athletic after his scrum with reporters ended. “It’s funny because I had the toe and I had a foot and I had a hamstring and I had a back, and it’s all on the left side of my body. It’s like a chain reaction. If it’s not one thing, it’s something else. That’s something I’ve tried to work through this year. I’m obviously not playing at 100 percent at all. But that’s no excuse at all. I can still play better.”


https://theathletic.com/661222/2018/11/18/annoyed-but-not-fazed-raptors-fred-vanvleet-knows-the-law-of-averages-will-end-his-slump/
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