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Lowry was hunting for that triple double
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JeffB
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Lowry was hunting for that triple double


Good, he got it.
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moremilk
Good win
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Tommy C
Good W. not sure I’m impressed with how they got it done but they were able to to turn it around after being down big. I’m still not sold. This system they are trying to implement is suitable when you have 3 point shooters who can drop them night in and night out. We are not there yet and I don’t think the players we have are good enough scorers.
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moremilk
Tommy C wrote:
Good W. not sure I’m impressed with how they got it done but they were able to to turn it around after being down big. I’m still not sold. This system they are trying to implement is suitable when you have 3 point shooters who can drop them night in and night out. We are not there yet and I don’t think the players we have are good enough scorers.


It's a new system, do you really expect them to master it in 10 games? Whether it works or not, we won't be able to tell until May or so.

But we do know the old system didn't work in may.

Tonight, it wasn't a system problem, we just came out flat against a young, energetic team.

We're 3-2 despite shots not falling
And you know they will fall at some point.
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Tommy C
moremilk wrote:


It's a new system, do you really expect them to master it in 10 games? Whether it works or not, we won't be able to tell until May or so.

But we do know the old system didn't work in may.

Tonight, it wasn't a system problem, we just came out flat against a young, energetic team.

We're 3-2 despite shots not falling
And you know they will fall at some point.


No, it’s not about the system and I’m not expecting them to master it in 10 games but the system won’t work unless you have reliable shooters on the floor. Other than Miles all our players who shoot 3s are either below average or streaky af. I.e Wright is 1 of 15 behind the arc so far. It’s disgusting.
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elT
Tommy C wrote:
No, it’s not about the system and I’m not expecting them to master it in 10 games but the system won’t work unless you have reliable shooters on the floor. Other than Miles all our players who shoot 3s are either below average or streaky af. I.e Wright is 1 of 15 behind the arc so far. It’s disgusting.


Almost all Raptors have worked on their shooting all summer and you can see how their form and mechanics are much smoother than last year. They are also working on it daily, no Raptors practice can't end without each player joining a 3pt shooting session and throwing up a bunch of shots. The shots will start falling at a higher rate once everyone settles in, some of the system stuff become habits and roles clarify. It takes time, no need to constantly overreact.
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Tommy C
elT wrote:


Almost all Raptors have worked on their shooting all summer and you can see how their form and mechanics are much smoother than last year. They are also working on it daily, no Raptors practice can end without each player joining a 3pt shooting session and throwing up a bunch of shots. The shots will start falling at a higher rate once everyone settles in, some of the system stuff become habits and roles clarify. It takes time, no need to constantly overreact.


Not overreacting at all. I fail to see how DD, Powell,Wright, Ibaka, JV, Siakam can become great shooters.
Time will tell. Tonight’s game was a perfect example. They were trading baskets with the Lakers during the 4th until DeRozen took over the game and scored 6 pt straights going iso and while it’s refreshing to see a new style teams are also going to study our offence and put more pressure on the shooters and cause to be even less effective.
I hope I’m wrong and I enjoy the new system but it seems like they still need to roll back to the iso when the can’t get over the hump.
I still think we needed another shooter to come off the bench.
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Carlito
Powell has been struggling ... looks like his struggles are getting into his head ... not shooting with confidence.
He has great work effort ... can't have Powell and miles stinking from 3 point line ...
miles has always been a streak shooter ...
Powell needs to develop and identity ...
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elT
Tommy C wrote:
Not overreacting at all. I fail to see how DD, Powell,Wright, Ibaka, JV, Siakam can become great shooters. Time will tell. Tonight’s game was a perfect example. They were trading baskets with the Lakers during the 4th until DeRozen took over the game and scored 6 pt straights going iso and while it’s refreshing to see a new style teams are also going to study our offence and put more pressure on the shooters and cause to be even less effective. I hope I’m wrong and I enjoy the new system but it seems like they still need to roll back to the iso when the can’t get over the hump. I still think we needed another shooter to come off the bench.



The preseason has been short. Lots of stuff being worked in while still being worked on. It simply takes time. 

More pressure on shooters would work to our advantage as the lanes would open up for dribble penetration, something we have elite skills for in Lowry, DDR, Delon, Norm. The whole point of the volume of shot threes is to develop a taste for it, allow it to become part of the comfort zone and build confidence. 

The defense was excellent in the second half, it wasn't just trading baskets. The team might not shoot 40% from three but it won't be shooting 20% either. The first five games of the season we are shooting 29% which is not nearly as bad considering Norm, Miles and Lowry haven't shot well. If the team gets it to ~35% on current rate of 35 attempts from three that would produce around 36ppg on those 35 shots. The moment Lowry, Miles and Norm get out of the current funk we'll be really close to that percentage if not above it. Throw in some cold games and some super hot games, let those cancel out and suddenly you have solid 3pt shooting that provides a ton of space for our elite dribble penetration talent and P&R game.

New system is being forced at the moment, team will settle on a new identity soon enough. Defense has been really good. A lot's of stuff has been really good. And there is so much potential and room to grow still. From chemistry to individual roles, shape, form, playbook and even health in OG's case.
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DocHolliday
elT wrote:



The preseason has been short. Lots of stuff being worked in while still being worked on. It simply takes time. 

More pressure on shooters would work to our advantage as the lanes would open up for dribble penetration, something we have elite skills for in Lowry, DDR, Delon, Norm. The whole point of the volume of shot threes is to develop a taste for it, allow it to become part of the comfort zone and build confidence. 

The defense was excellent in the second half, it wasn't just trading baskets. The team might not shoot 40% from three but it won't be shooting 20% either. The first five games of the season we are shooting 29% which is not nearly as bad considering Norm, Miles and Lowry haven't shot well. If the team gets it to ~35% on current rate of 35 attempts from three that would produce around 36ppg on those 35 shots. The moment Lowry, Miles and Norm get out of the current funk we'll be really close to that percentage if not above it. Throw in some cold games and some super hot games, let those cancel out and suddenly you have solid 3pt shooting that provides a ton of space for our elite dribble penetration talent and P&R game.

New system is being forced at the moment, team will settle on a new identity soon enough. Defense has been really good. A lot's of stuff has been really good. And there is so much potential and room to grow still. From chemistry to individual roles, shape, form, playbook and even health in OG's case.


Great post +1
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LX
Watched the second half in bits and pieces today.

I've been crazy in love with Siakam and Poeltl since summer league. They just look so capable of getting to a really high level. Wright as well, though he wasn't at his best in this game. Add OG in that mix, and Norm and Freddie Vees and you've got such a great young foundation of two-way players. They really needed Lowry and DeMar and Ibaka to lead the way some last night. But in general they seem to be starting to mesh pretty nicely.

One thing has been constant, whether shots are falling or not, and that is their ability to get turnovers at a good rate, and unless they get beaten on the boards, that gives them a good chunk more shots than the opposing team.

As for the shot# - I feel better about seeing OG and Siakam launching from deep than Patterson (aside from when he was riding a hot streak). There is a lot of good uniformity to the attempts, aside from Powell and Wright. Not sure why Norm is missing in so many different ways, but it will probably just motivate him that much more to get better.

It looked like there was maybe a bit too much fun to be had in LA. Just not sharp from the jump. Hopefully it was not merely reverting to bad starts. I'll be looking for better form from the get go in the next few.
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