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7shikamaru7
This reminds me of the Rudy Gay trade and we got Vasquez, Ppatt, Salmons. We were thinking of tanking but everything clicked. Coming to this season, everyone thought we'll hover around 4-6 seed...mainly because of our inexperienced bench. But 50 games in and we're 2 games back from the top seed. The current success is a fool's gold come playoffs. Same thing with Boston, with the extra pressure and the big moment...it's a different beast. If our window is indeed this year (Boston being young, Cavs are a mess, Heat is definitely beatable) then we should be looking at trading some of the young guys. Tyreke's 3M contract is attainable, Avery Bradley's 8.8M, Hood's 2.3M...etc.

Or we can develop our young guys, roll the dice with them on the playoffs and see if they can compete for the title in the future. Hopefully, Brown and Tatum aren't superstars then....Simmons padding up stats, Giannis being a complete beast with Parker...Griffin and Dre clicking...etc. 

So many what ifs...don't know what the future brings, but we do know we're 2 games back of that top seed and our young guys are inexperienced in playoffs. We should try to get vet/s if a deal presents itself. 
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elT
7shikamaru7 wrote:
This reminds me of the Rudy Gay trade and we got Vasquez, Ppatt, Salmons. We were thinking of tanking but everything clicked. Coming to this season, everyone thought we'll hover around 4-6 seed...mainly because of our inexperienced bench. But 50 games in and we're 2 games back from the top seed. The current success is a fool's gold come playoffs. Same thing with Boston, with the extra pressure and the big moment...it's a different beast. If our window is indeed this year (Boston being young, Cavs are a mess, Heat is definitely beatable) then we should be looking at trading some of the young guys. Tyreke's 3M contract is attainable, Avery Bradley's 8.8M, Hood's 2.3M...etc.

Or we can develop our young guys, roll the dice with them on the playoffs and see if they can compete for the title in the future. Hopefully, Brown and Tatum aren't superstars then....Simmons padding up stats, Giannis being a complete beast with Parker...Griffin and Dre clicking...etc. 

So many what ifs...don't know what the future brings, but we do know we're 2 games back of that top seed and our young guys are inexperienced in playoffs. We should try to get vet/s if a deal presents itself. 


I fail to see what any available veteran can bring to this team that would be worthy of giving up a young rotation player. Especially guys on expiring deals that we have no chance of keeping. 
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JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
We're younger now than we were then. We are currently almost as young as Philadelphia. Raptors avg age: 25.9 Philadelphia avg age: 25.6


So they are young but which one of the young has much upside than being just a support player? They have no stars in the making in the form of OG, Siakum, Portl, Wright, VanFleet & Powell. But look at the youth the teams like the Sixers, Celtics & Bucks have? Those teams have young guys that are going to be really good players that can lead teams as opposed our role playing garbage. But you guys can still dream about a finals appearance but I've seen this movie before since 2014 and I'm tired of watching it over & over again.
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moremilk
elT wrote:



Get off whatever shit you are smoking. 10 and 5 in January and 0-1 in February makes it MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE 8-7 over last 15 games. 


damn it, you are right, it's not 8-7 over the last 15, it's 8-6 over our last 14. Obviously, that makes a huge difference, sorry for misleading you so terribly.

On the other hand, I hope it won't become 8-7 after tonight :)
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elT
moremilk wrote:
damn it, you are right, it's not 8-7 over the last 15, it's 8-6 over our last 14. Obviously, that makes a huge difference, sorry for misleading you so terribly. On the other hand, I hope it won't become 8-7 after tonight 😉


Two can play the cherry picking game with arbitrary number of games, how long before we get to 34-16? Let's skip ahead...
RAPTORS WON 34 out of their last 50 games! YAY! 

Here's a stat for you, 

In 32 games when Raptors grabbed more than 75% of defensive rebounds their record is 26-6 which is 81% win rate. Two of the six losses were to GSW. The other four were vs Utah, @Philly, @IND, @DEN(still the worst game of the season).

Since Raptors do have size and are good, they've been rebounding really well far more often than not. But as their focus and energy goes up and down, they've also had total of 18 games this season where they grabbed 75% or less rebounds their record is 8-10, 44% win rate. In such case, wins were against these teams: Spurs, Wolves, Hawks, Pacers, Knicks, Sixers, Rockets, Grizzlies. 

So in 36% of games, Raptors didn't grab enough rebounds and lost 56% of those games. In 64% of games they did grab enough rebounds and won 81% of those games. 

Aside from shattering one of your claims  that the team is outrebounded every night, to me this shows a number of things:

Rebounding is inconsistent yet super important to outcome of Raptors games. Can overcome it to some extent but it is playing with fire against good teams as it ends up being a really close game.  Bad teams are irrelevant because they are bad teams and all stats are crazy against those. 

Rebounding is not bad but there are times when it is bad. Just by a quick rewind, there are at least 3-4 games that could have been won (@Clippers, @Wolves, @Mavs) if the team rebounded just a little bit better. All were close games that could have been won. 

There does not seem to be a pattern in type of teams we get outrebounded by. Grabbed just 60% of defensive rebounds against Miami, 66% against Boston, neither is particularly big or great rebounding team(22nd and 24th in OREB%). At the same time, grabbed 90% against NoP and GSW, 86% against Portland. 100% against Suns but they are the Suns so..

Anyways, there doesn't seem to be an issue with size but rather focus and energy/physicality and still adjusting to switching scheme.

 
Edit: When grabbing 80% of defensive rebounds, Raptors are 14-2. Both losses to GSW. 


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moremilk wrote:
damn it, you are right, it's not 8-7 over the last 15, it's 8-6 over our last 14. Obviously, that makes a huge difference, sorry for misleading you so terribly. On the other hand, I hope it won't become 8-7 after tonight 😉


How about 29 wins in the first 41 and now 5-4 since and thus not going to get close to the 58 wins they were on pace for in the first half. Last year had 28 wins in the first 41 and only won 51 so do you see a trend here?

The only difference was 2 years ago when they started slowly and didn't take flight until January en route to winning 56 which they will not do this season. 
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