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Toby
You can't let Montrezl Harrell walk all over you like that. Show some spirit, play team basketball.
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elT
Northern Neighbour wrote:
Absolutely nothing from the bench tonight. That makes two really bad performances by the second unit.

FVV played 24 minutes tonight. I have no idea why he played so much because he offered very little on both ends. He had one steal, but that was the only impact play he made.

As well as Poeltl has played this year, he's not yet a starting calibre C. He's too weak and gets manhandled by bigger, physical Cs.


Yeah, bench was shit tonight. 17 total points, 13 by Miles. 

JV was really active and good tonight, enjoyed that. DDR was also really smart and precise most of the time but got zero help from the backcourt. 

Lowry was just terrible, completely, on both ends. If any one person is to blame for this loss it is Lowry. 

So pissed off. Stupid ass Clippers. 
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JeffB
Outrebounded 57-42. That's the reason we lost, they shot 37%, 22% from 3 and won. [frown]
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Northern Neighbour
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
Outrebounded 57-42. That's the reason we lost, they shot 37%, 22% from 3 and won. [frown]


Poor bench and lead guard play (Lowry and FVV were terrible) were also the team's downfall.

Lowry and FVV combined for 59 minutes of court time, and they had 5 assists and 5 turnovers (all by Lowry) while shooting 5 for 19 (0-11 from 3). When your PGs play that poorly, you're more than likely going to lose.
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JeffB
Northern Neighbour wrote:


Poor bench and lead guard play (Lowry and FVV were terrible) were also the team's downfall.

Lowry and FVV combined for 59 minutes of court time, and they had 5 assists and 5 turnovers (all by Lowry) while shooting 5 for 19 (0-11 from 3). When your PGs play that poorly, you're more than likely going to lose.


Looks like DD disappeared in the second half as well. I went to bed at half and I believe he had 14pts. He finished with 17.....

Our bench was also outscored 50-17, which is insane.
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LKeet6
Crap performance, exacerbated by the fact we were still winning for most of it, still had chances at the end, and continually choked them.

If we want to be "elite," that's the kinda game you win. Even the elite teams have plenty of performances like that in a season, but they win a higher percentage of them compared to a "just" very good team like us.

Maybe as the season goes on, we'll win more of those ones...
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7shikamaru7
Like I said before, it's not about the teams we face...it's how prepared we are in every game. We looked uninterested from the start of the game. Only the bigs showed up...Ibaka and JV did great in giving us a chance to win. Games like these we need our bench to step up...we could've use more set up plays with CJ...and Norm is realllyy struggling....we should give him a "personal" pick setter to give him an open lane to attack. 

No one jinxed this as a "trap game"
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gnarl
This one loss doesn't concern me, what does concern me are the following:

1. We are continuing to whine about everything.  Casey needs to start holding these players accountable, play the game until the whistle is blown.  You're not going to get the call by berating the referee after the fact.  Derozan, Lowry and Norm are key culprits, it's to the point where it's just sad.

2. Serge is trying to do way too much.  There was a shot late in the 4th where he took a step back 3...STEP BACK....are you kidding me.  He is a shot forcer, not happy with Ibaka's offensive IQ.

3. Norm needs a lot of development.  Thus far, we have overpaid for his services.  Hope he can make up the difference soon

4. JV was our lone bright spot.  Let's be honest, we are a jump shooting team that retraces to our norms.  JV missed two straight shots to start the second half and then our offense pretty much ignored him thereafter...he needs consistent looks, and Lowry and Derozan need to recognize that JV is an asset on the offensive end..need to actually use him.
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LX
I'm not terribly worried about the bench. Young guys will typically have more issues on the road. Hopefully they work through that. I am worried about Norm. He's been a turnover machine, and he should be leading that second unit to some extent.

Lowry with 5 turnovers and 5 assists, and he looked like he was faking his way through this one. That's just weird to me. But he does tend to have one of these on trips out west every year. In and Out Burger? Probably not. Probably just something making him prickly and unfocused beyond fast food addiction.

The Serge I saw was passing more than ever. The forced shots near the end came as part of an offense that had simply slowed to a near halt, and it looked like he was being called on to carry things with something of a hot hand. We've all seen other teams just die and fold in the last few minutes of games. That is what things looked like with the Raptors here. They really could have used more oomph from the bench.

Ultimately they missed threes, they missed at the rim, they missed at the line, but the worst of it was simply giving up the pace altogether in the second half. They abandoned who they are and it was sad to see even if it was something of a schedule loss. I hope not to see that sort of thing again. It definitely shows the league is right to reduce 3 games in 4 nights situations. Still, our depth should have allowed us to handle it this time. I think the travel and missing Delon, and having played something of a playoff-type game in Memphis made it a bit more of a challenge than it otherwise would have been. Gotta forget it altogether now. I had pancakes for breakfast!
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elT
LX wrote:
I'm not terribly worried about the bench. Young guys will typically have more issues on the road. Hopefully they work through that. I am worried about Norm. He's been a turnover machine, and he should be leading that second unit to some extent. Lowry with 5 turnovers and 5 assists, and he looked like he was faking his way through this one. That's just weird to me. But he does tend to have one of these on trips out west every year. In and Out Burger? Probably not. Probably just something making him prickly and unfocused beyond fast food addiction. The Serge I saw was passing more than ever. The forced shots near the end came as part of an offense that had simply slowed to a near halt, and it looked like he was being called on to carry things with something of a hot hand. We've all seen other teams just die and fold in the last few minutes of games. That is what things looked like with the Raptors here. They really could have used more oomph from the bench. Ultimately they missed threes, they missed at the rim, they missed at the line, but the worst of it was simply giving up the pace altogether in the second half. They abandoned who they are and it was sad to see even if it was something of a schedule loss. I hope not to see that sort of thing again. It definitely shows the league is right to reduce 3 games in 4 nights situations. Still, our depth should have allowed us to handle it this time. I think the travel and missing Delon, and having played something of a playoff-type game in Memphis made it a bit more of a challenge than it otherwise would have been. Gotta forget it altogether now. I had pancakes for breakfast!


Kudos for pancakes! 

I'm attributing it all, the bad from the game not the pancakes, to California weather and LA nightlife and small part of it to schedule. Afternoon win in Sacramento probably set up some hard partying in LA that night. 
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Rudy-T
Its a bit of a shame that JV has a good offensive game for once and almost everyone else shits the bed to make it a loss. DD was at least ok and Serge also, but behind that it was horrible. Lowry looked awful at both ends making stupid mistakes in offense while forcing shots when he couldnt hit any and at the same time playing disinterested defense where he just gambled too much. Powell was bad again (he hasnt had many good games this season). Poetl got eaten up. Siakam looks like he has lost all the skills he seemed to have. FVV was useles. Many guys forced bad three pointers, when no one was hitting them. 

And the rebounding. JV got 15 rebounds and we still gave up huge amounts of offensive rebounds. You cant ask much more from JV, so maybe someone else should try a bit too. 
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Berimbolo
 felt like a trap game before it even started. esp with clips going on long road trip after and us on b2b.

 i think Caseys approach of spreading out min and really waiting til late in the season and yoffs to up things is the right thing. all while winning and incorporating alot of new pieces and a new offensive style. its actually gone much smoother than expected.


 JV had a solid game, would be nice if he could string together a few and either up his value or become a useful contributor in more than just niche old school situations. He needs to stop hesitating on jumpers and 3s, just take them. otherwise he is just an ISO dinosaur that teams can sag off.
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