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deaner
JP is playing like the 5th best player in that draft IMo. Thanks NY.
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elT
deaner wrote:
JP is playing like the 5th best player in that draft IMo. Thanks NY.


So is Siakam. Raptors might have ended with the best PF and C in the draft with Simmons at SF, Dunn and Brown as guards. 
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JeffB
elT wrote:


So is Siakam. Raptors might have ended with the best PF and C in the draft with Simmons at SF, Dunn and Brown as guards. 


Jamal Murray and Malcolm Brogdon are also great guards. But yeah, what a shit draft for bigs. Ingram is ok along with Maker I guess.
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elT
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
Jamal Murray and Malcolm Brogdon are also great guards. But yeah, what a shit draft for bigs. Ingram is ok along with Maker I guess.


It is only their second year and there is still a ton of ball to play and room for growth.....however, would anyone in their right mind draft Dragan Bender over Poeltl or Siakam knowing what we know about these guys right now? And do you remember the hype around Bender? He ended up being picked 4th but for a long time he was projected #1 as well. 

Examples like these infuriate me when talking to "tank!tank!tank!" crowd. No guarantees in the draft. Look at Wiggins, everybody's darling back in the day, he'll be super lucky to ever become as good as DDR. And then look at Markannen, he already looks like a superstar in the making, picked 7th. Really special kid, picked 7th. Tanking is stupid. 


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JeffB
elT wrote:


It is only their second year and there is still a ton of ball to play and room for growth.....however, would anyone in their right mind draft Dragan Bender over Poeltl or Siakam knowing what we know about these guys right now? And do you remember the hype around Bender? He ended up being picked 4th but for a long time he was projected #1 as well. 

Examples like these infuriate me when talking to "tank!tank!tank!" crowd. No guarantees in the draft. Look at Wiggins, everybody's darling back in the day, he'll be super lucky to ever become as good as DDR. And then look at Markannen, he already looks like a superstar in the making, picked 7th. Really special kid, picked 7th. Tanking is stupid. 




Yeah, I've never understood the tank commanders. If you tank you better hope that you get a generational player, otherwise it's a crapshoot. Look at Fultz, Philly traded up to get him and he may never be right again. Knowing what we now know, who takes him over Tatum?
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deaner
Tanking a full year never makes sense to me.. however a small adjustment for 2 games to drop a spot after you are out of the playoffs is t a horrible thing to me.
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LX
Sure - end of the season tanking is legit. But that's not the line of thought among pure tankers.
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Northern Neighbour
LX wrote:
Sure - end of the season tanking is legit. But that's not the line of thought among pure tankers.


Heck, people wanted to blow the whole team up after a consecutive 50-win seasons!
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LKeet6
elT wrote:


It is only their second year and there is still a ton of ball to play and room for growth.....however, would anyone in their right mind draft Dragan Bender over Poeltl or Siakam knowing what we know about these guys right now? And do you remember the hype around Bender? He ended up being picked 4th but for a long time he was projected #1 as well. 

Examples like these infuriate me when talking to "tank!tank!tank!" crowd. No guarantees in the draft. Look at Wiggins, everybody's darling back in the day, he'll be super lucky to ever become as good as DDR. And then look at Markannen, he already looks like a superstar in the making, picked 7th. Really special kid, picked 7th. Tanking is stupid. 




Spot on!

I actually still love bender's skillset; my biggest gripe with (proper) tanking is the toxic and uncertain atmosphere around clubs that tank for more than one season. Even one season is pretty bad. Can kill a player's development.

Markanen is doing good because bulls aren't really tanking are they, they're doing a proper rebuild and trying to win.

Any player drafted in the top 14 or so (depending on draft I guess) has a chance to be a good player. Yeah, you may not get a "star," but you get good players and they develop properly...
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elT
LKeet6 wrote:
Spot on! I actually still love bender's skillset; my biggest gripe with (proper) tanking is the toxic and uncertain atmosphere around clubs that tank for more than one season. Even one season is pretty bad. Can kill a player's development. Markanen is doing good because bulls aren't really tanking are they, they're doing a proper rebuild and trying to win. Any player drafted in the top 14 or so (depending on draft I guess) has a chance to be a good player. Yeah, you may not get a "star," but you get good players and they develop properly...


It is all about winning culture, development comes with that. Some teams can improve faster than other but in the end it comes down to character and skill development of individuals and the team. Can't just work on skills, we are not robots, can't just work on character, it is still high skill profession. And it quickly becomes impossible to build a winning culture in one segment while tanking in other. 

What Chicago is doing is competing hard and losing because they aren't good yet. But they are showing signs and can build upon that. Naturally it takes time. What Sixers tried to do is build a dynasty while skipping the journey. "Trust the process" is such a fraud, Hinkie didn't have a process, he had a dehumanized excel sheet, spoke of assets instead of people, odds instead of relationships. Five years and it still doesn't look like much unless we ignore the huge question marks about Embiid's health, Simmons' shooting, Fultz's shoulder. One of those fail and it is borderline .500 ball. Still as fragile as any other team. And we haven't gotten to ruined careers of Noel, Okafor, MCW and the losing in Philly. 

While Bulls' managers Gar&Pax are not really angels, Dunn, Zach, Markanen trio looks like it will be able to rival Sixers rather soon. Considering that they just started "the process", it looks promising. If they add another gem this year...look out as that is a really nice core with already nice supporting pieces in Portis, Valentine, Holiday. High pick + mid pick from NOP + FA signing and that might be a solid rotation next year. 
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Acie
Bruno getting his first burn with the Kings right now against the T-Wolves.

He actually doesn't look lost out there.
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Pzabby_2nd
Acie wrote:
Bruno getting his first burn with the Kings right now against the T-Wolves.

He actually doesn't look lost out there.


Happy for him. But sad at the same time [frown]
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JeffB
Bruno looks pretty bad
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Tommy C
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
Bruno looks pretty bad


Unless he improves dramatically in the offseason, which I don’t see happening, he will play in Europe next contract.
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