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moremilk
I don't know much about kawhi, so I'm obviously speculating. 

Still, I find it really hard to believe that a player of his stature, in his prime, would choose to go to a city, any city, for any other reason but winning. It just makes no sense, he is entering his prime and, if things go right, he could end up as a top 30 all-time player, if not better. Or he could end up stuck on a good but not great team, but in his favourite city. Also, all the talk about money is silly, if he wanted money, he would have stayed in SAS. It would take some pretty massive contract deals to ever make up the money he already lost, and as long as LeBron is there, he will always be second fiddle from a marketing standpoint - even if he outplays LeBron.

Therefore, imo, the key factor will be which team gives him both the best chance of winning multiple titles, and the position of prominence on the team. That's why I believed from the start, and will continue to do so, that retaining kawhi boils down to two key things:

1. success this season, with the eastern conference finals being the minimum required
2. how he views our young guys. Lowry has been outstanding, but he has at most 2-3 years of elite play in him. We will need to develop or acquire another all star level piece within that timespan in order for the team to remain a leading contender for the title. 


For #2, Masai's pitch will be important too - he will need to convince kawhi that we have the resources and a plan to make it happen.

If the main competitor is LA, I think we have a clear advantage though. For one, they have no star at all, any pitch to kawhi will only work if they can acquire a second star in the process and who that star is. I don't think a guy like Butler is that player, not only he's almost as old as Kyle, but he has his known issues  and he's not the best fit alongside kawhi as he's not a great 3pt shooter. Somebody like Durant though, that would be a different matter. Outside of KD, I don't know if the Clippers can top what we currently have - I'm far from convinced any other team they build would be even as good as Kawhi's last SAS team.
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moremilk
Also, I wouldn't completely rule out KD to the raptors either - he has the connections he has with the city, and he would be an outstanding fit on this team. Not sure if we could even get him though, given the limitations of the cba regarding S&T.
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Pzabby_2nd
moremilk wrote:
Also, I wouldn't completely rule out KD to the raptors either - he has the connections he has with the city, and he would be an outstanding fit on this team. Not sure if we could even get him though, given the limitations of the cba regarding S&T.


Oh my God man don't make me drool. I suppose it would have to centre around JV plus OG plus siakam and other contracts to make it work?
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MikeToronto
Pzabby_2nd wrote:


Oh my God man don't make me drool. I suppose it would have to centre around JV plus OG plus siakam and other contracts to make it work?


We really don’t want to do something like that. It’d be gutting the team, and as good as KD is, you can’t gut the bench and the future like that. At any rate, this is all pipe dreams.
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elT
I'd rather try to steal Draymond Green from GSW. He wants max contract, I'd give it to him if GSW doesn't want to. Would be super difficult to do due to hard cap rule. In fact, it would be borderline impossible. And we'd have to trade Ibaka, JV, CJ, Norm and lose one of Green/Wright or trade FVV on top. We'd have to completely gut the roster to add any max free agent as it can only be done via S&T and that makes us hard capped at ~139M$.

So no, Durant or Green or any other max FA is not coming next summer. At the same time, just keeping Leonard, Green and Wright would make me ecstatic. I'm sure one o CJ/Norm will be gone before next season and think it is highly likely one of JV/Ibaka as well. Assuming ~10M$ deals for Wright and Green and max for Leonard we'd be at ~164M$ with rest of the roster staying as is, minus Richardson and Monroe. That is 32M$ over tax which is impossible cost of the roster. But if you drop JV and CJ that becomes ~138M$ + another few millions to fill out the roster. If Ibaka is gone instead of JV that is another 6M$ saved.

IMO, optimal outcome would be max for Leonard, 9M$ for Green, 11M$ for Wright, replace JV with Monore at tax MLE(or less), keep Ibaka and Norm, fill out the roster with minimums, try to find another gem in the rough, a long, athletic big. Maybe Boucher becomes that in time for next year.

Year after we'd have 66M$ expire in Lowry, Ibaka, FVV. IF we keep all three for 46M$ instead of 66M$ and give that difference to Siakam...that would be solid.

* all figures and estimates are extremely rough and might be very wrong


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Pzabby_2nd
Green for 9 million seems low.. cap is rising soon isn't it?
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