JeffB
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21622478/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-houston-chris-paul-nba

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7. The kids in Toronto, smart beyond their years

Toronto's kiddos -- along with a revamped offense -- have freshened up a team that risked growing stale. They are ahead of schedule forming a supporting cast for Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan.

They are smart, stay within themselves, and execute the little things that win. Watch Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, and Jakob Poeltl switch and re-switch between three Atlanta players in a few seconds:

That looks easy, but it isn't. It requires deep knowledge of opposing personnel, anticipation, instinctual hoops IQ, and in-synch communication. It is beyond most first- and second-year players.

Siakam is everywhere, all the time -- a hellhound guarding all five positions, and showing nascent playmaking ability. He fits almost any lineup; the Drakes have outscored opponents by about 10 points per 100 possessions with Siakam on the floor.

Poeltl isn't a leaper, but he has smart feet and soft hands. He has worked well alongside Siakam.

VanVleet has been a revelation in Delon Wright's absence. OG Anunoby usurped a starting spot, and has massive potential as a long-armed, switchable 3-and-D menace with passing feel. He enveloped Harden in Toronto's win in Houston. Norman Powell should rediscover his verve coming off the bench.

None will be stars. Toronto will need one of those once Lowry and/or DeRozan cycles out of the organization. But they are nice complementary players on this good Toronto team, and they will be even better complementary players on the next one.

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LX
One day he will call them the Mighty Drakes. One day.
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Dario
Thx for the ups husband of a Canadian.

But, to say none will be a star? nonsense! OG has a chance too be.
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elT
Dario wrote:
Thx for the ups husband of a Canadian.

But, to say none will be a star? nonsense! OG has a chance too be.


Siakam has Paul Milsap written all over him, especially once he rebuilds/establishes his jumpshot. 
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Berimbolo
 i dont think any of them with be stars, solid starter is the ceiling for Siakim and OG. Jacob can be a great backup C.
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JeffB
Berimbolo wrote:
 i dont think any of them with be stars, solid starter is the ceiling for Siakim and OG. Jacob can be a great backup C.


I think Poeltl, Siakam, OG can all be solid starters. And possibly Wright as well and Powell has proven himself to be a borderline starter, excellent bench player.
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elT
Berimbolo wrote:
 i dont think any of them with be stars, solid starter is the ceiling for Siakim and OG. Jacob can be a great backup C.


Wait and see. Last year Siakam looked like a backup PF at best. 
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JeffB
elT wrote:


Wait and see. Last year Siakam looked like a backup PF at best. 


He looked great the first month but faded before fighting just to get minutes. But you could see what he could be once he got comfortable. I'm confident he'll get even better.
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DocHolliday
Who has the #1 +/- score in the NBA this season?


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[jsf6g2m8_normal]Taylor Eldridge@tayloreldridge
 

Who has the #1 +/- score in the NBA this season?

Answer: @FredVanVleethttps://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/qvz4d7/fred-vanvleet-has-developed-into-a-legit-piece-for-toronto?utm_source=vicesportstwitterca 

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moremilk
elT wrote:


Siakam has Paul Milsap written all over him, especially once he rebuilds/establishes his jumpshot. 


I like the green comparison a lot better. Milsap is a different kind of beast, he does damage with strength, skill and unusual quickness for that kind of body type.

Siakam, like Green, does his damage with pure quickness, agility and energy. And, like Green, siakam could develop into a good passing big. And he can't shoot to save his life, yet ...


He needs to add strength to improve his rebounding numbers, he definitely needs to work on his shot, both from 3 and from the line, but he has the potential to be a green-like player in a couple years. I don't think he'll ever be a scorer, but he can get to a lineup of 12/7/7/2/1 in points/rebounds/assists/steals and blocks down the road.
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moremilk
Dario wrote:
Thx for the ups husband of a Canadian.

But, to say none will be a star? nonsense! OG has a chance too be.


heh, who knew lowe was actually moremilk  ... While I agree that OG has the chance to be a star (and possibly bruno), I can't really fault him for his statement that none will be one. OG is very young and has great defensive potential, but offensively, while clearly better than advertised, he's far behind even guys like brown and tatum who are about the same age. And, while those two have a great ceiling, I don't think anybody outside Boston is looking at them as guaranteed future all stars.

I always find that trying to judge our own players by looking at similar guys on other teams works best, because it removes some of the bias that is hard to escape otherwise. 
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elT
moremilk wrote:


I like the green comparison a lot better. Milsap is a different kind of beast, he does damage with strength and unusual quickness for that kind of body type.

Siakam, like Green, does his damage with pure quickness, agility and energy. And, like Green, siakam could develop into a good passing big. And he can't shoot to save his life, yet ...


He needs to add strength to improve his rebounding numbers, he definitely needs to work on his shot, both from 3 and from the line, but he has the potential to be a green-like player in a couple years. I don't think he'll ever be a scorer, but he can get to a lineup of 12/7/7/2/1 in points/rebounds/assists/steals and blocks down the road.


If you are talking about Draymond Green, I disagree. Draymond is uber defender, one on one and team defense and absurd rim protection on top of it. On offense he handles the ball, sets good screens, runs the break often and passes like a guard. I just don't see Siakam as the same type of player, not nearly as physical or strong but super quick and aggressive on both ends.

His shot has improved a ton from last year, I expect another jump next year. His handles are night and day compared to last year but can still take it another notch. He has a natural scoring feel around the hoop with those quick pivots and baby hooks as well as floaters. Siakam looks like a guy that will wear you down with energy and relentlessness but with enough skill. Green has that but is also a defensive genius and a play maker on offense.
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moremilk
I didn't say he will be as good as green, that would be a very high ceiling for siakam. But he's similar in how he plays.

Milsap is a scoring big who can play good defense. He's an elite rebounder for his size and before he started shooting the 3, was getting most of his points around the rim.

I see no resemblance between him and siakam, besides the undersized part. Which also applies to green.
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