JeffB Show full post »
LKeet6
moremilk wrote:
What do you mean without Tucker? Giannis destroyed every other player not named Tucker. I wish I shared your view of that series, but I don't know if we win it without Powell's unsustainably hot 3pt shooting and Tucker's defense on Giannis. This season, they will be adding Parker, while we are losing Tucker and Patterson, the two best bug defenders we had. As for the wizards, yeah, they're not the same team, they are vastly better. Beal and Porter are two levels higher compared to that playoff series [smile]


pretty much everyone at the time said the series turned, almost in an instant. It was so noticable.

Your "he destroyed everyone" argument is massively helped by the play from BEFORE the change, and was obviously massively helped by the bucks being able to constantly get out on us (which was absolutely maddening to watch!) Additionally, he's an excellent player, so the drop-off AFTER the change isn't going to be that big. It's kinda besides the point really...

We adjusted, His domination was ended (without him suffering hugely,) and we beat them easily...

Why do you think the "before" will return if we play them?
Quote 0 0
DanH
moremilk wrote:
What do you mean without Tucker? Giannis destroyed every other player not named Tucker. I wish I shared your view of that series, but I don't know if we win it without Powell's unsustainably hot 3pt shooting and Tucker's defense on Giannis. This season, they will be adding Parker, while we are losing Tucker and Patterson, the two best bug defenders we had. As for the wizards, yeah, they're not the same team, they are vastly better. Beal and Porter are two levels higher compared to that playoff series [smile]


Have to love how narratives take on a life of their own.

In the playoffs (per 36 minutes):

Giannis with Tucker on the court: 21.9 PTS, 53.8% FG%, 2.4 AST, -2.1 +/-
Giannis without Tucker on the court: 22.3 PTS, 53.3% FG%, 4.6 AST, +3.8 +/-

So, Giannis' individual scoring seemed about the same with or without Tucker there, though his team definitely had more success away from Tucker.  Of course, there's also the muddying factor of the adjustment the Raptors made - early on, the original starting lineup was getting destroyed, and the new one didn't, even though Tucker had nothing to do with either lineup.

Look at the same splits (with and without Tucker, per 36), but only for the three games after the lineup switch was made.

Giannis with Tucker on the court: 19.2 PTS, 48.1% FG%, 1.7 AST, -9.6 +/-
Giannis without Tucker on the court: 24.0 PTS, 54.5% FG%, 3.8 AST, -12.0 +/-

So, here we see the opposite story.  Tucker made some difference (not a dramatic one, but a difference) in Giannis' individual scoring.  But the team smacked the Bucks around even more when they were letting Giannis do his thing without Tucker there.  

It's really just not the deciding factor in the matchup between the teams.  Giannis is going to score, regardless of who defends him.  But if the team gameplans for that and for the Bucks' defence correctly, it won't matter at all.
Quote 1 0