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MikeToronto
DanH wrote:


Definitely not up?  Wouldn't your observation that they have a lot of young players from whom they don't know what they will get, suggest there is an upside scenario where one of them is significantly better than expected and helps the team be much better?

Never mind that we didn't really get to see Ibaka with all the starters for any significant time last season, and that alone could dramatically raise the ceiling for this group.


OK, alright, perhaps I shouldn't have said "definitely". How's about "very likely"? [wink]

I doubt very much we will see much more out of Ibaka than we've seen so far on a regular basis. I am actually quite happy with what he brings to the table, and all I'd like him to do is stay healthy and rested enough throughout the regular season and the playoffs.

The bench, though, remains an issue. True, young players present a possibility of an upside much more than the established vets, but they are also prone to inconsistency.
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DanH
MikeToronto wrote:


OK, alright, perhaps I shouldn't have said "definitely". How's about "very likely"? [wink]

I doubt very much we will see much more out of Ibaka than we've seen so far on a regular basis. I am actually quite happy with what he brings to the table, and all I'd like him to do is stay healthy and rested enough throughout the regular season and the playoffs.

The bench, though, remains an issue. True, young players present a possibility of an upside much more than the established vets, but they are also prone to inconsistency.


I don't really disagree with much of this, but I do think that the success of our bench units has a lot more to do with Lowry playing against inferior opposition, much more so than who he is playing with at the time.  So I think the risk with going young off the bench is overstated.

As for Ibaka, I don't expect anything more from him either - but the team will still look way better with Lowry playing in sync with him than with a fresh-off-injury Lowry playing back into shape beside Ibaka in the playoffs, or without Lowry entirely.
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3forthewin
In a league where the Golden State Warriors are pretty much unstoppable, isn't every playoff team a treadmill team? The Raptors are not going to contend for a championship anytime soon, but how many teams in this league really are? They just had their best four seasons in team history and are very competitive in the east. I'll take that over the majority of Raptors Seasons we have seen in the past.

Cleveland rolled over the Raptors last playoffs and couldn't even compete with the Warriors. What is Masai really supposed to do other than keep the team competitive?

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MikeToronto
3forthewin wrote:
In a league where the Golden State Warriors are pretty much unstoppable, isn't every playoff team a treadmill team? The Raptors are not going to contend for a championship anytime soon, but how many teams in this league really are? They just had their best four seasons in team history and are very competitive in the east. I'll take that over the majority of Raptors Seasons we have seen in the past. Cleveland rolled over the Raptors last playoffs and couldn't even compete with the Warriors. What is Masai really supposed to do other than keep the team competitive?


Your last question has been discussed here ad nauseaum. He could have forced the rebuild through draft about 3 years earlier than he had to. He chose not to.
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elT
MikeToronto wrote:


Your last question has been discussed here ad nauseaum. He could have forced the rebuild through draft about 3 years earlier than he had to. He chose not to.


That choice is always there for every team in the league. And making that choice is not trivial nor is there any kind of guarantee. Orlando has been rebuilding for five years and they aren't even mediocre. This year, a bunch of teams are rebuilding, it won't even be easy to tank.
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Kaddrik

perso, i don't want to rebuild by tank !

i would prefer a sell out and get some nice young assets in return.

in fact i think that's in the line of what masai should think about.

let play out this season, let see if we can get something out off our prospects.
next summer, sell lowry and ibaka for young assets and low picks (speciality of masai !).

 

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3forthewin
MikeToronto wrote:


Your last question has been discussed here ad nauseaum. He could have forced the rebuild through draft about 3 years earlier than he had to. He chose not to.


He gave this fan base 4 relevant and consistent years. Something we have not experienced in the teams existence. I'm extremely happy with what Maasai has done, but I'm also realistic and never thought we were going to win a championship with this team.

Of course every fan wants their team to win a championship. Unfortunately that is nearly impossible when the Golden State Warriors are in the way. As someone else already stated, a rebuild doesn't guarantee anything. This team has been irrelevant for way too many years, they needed these last four years in a bad way.
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MikeToronto
Guys, I wasn't looking to re-start the "tanking" discussion. Simply pointed out the options and the choice made by the management. I am content with that choice.
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3forthewin
MikeToronto wrote:
Guys, I wasn't looking to re-start the "tanking" discussion. Simply pointed out the options and the choice made by the management. I am content with that choice.


I think the majority of Raptor fans are pretty content with how the last 4 years have gone. Of course we all want more and I do believe Maasai might get us more as time goes on. I am definitely in the just happy to be competitive mindset right now. I've been a fan of this team for a long time so this has been a nice change.

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LKeet6
the success rate for out and out tanking- even "rebuilding"- is NOT good! Plus doing it when you're a very solid team?! Stoooopid...
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moremilk
You can tank anytime, you can only win 50 games once in a while. So the choice is clear imo.
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