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A 59-win team, not on paper, is plenty good enough. The biggest factor is no Lebron. Now instead of Boston vs Cleveland or Philly vs Cleveland there are not an awful lot of options other than Toronto. Lebron was the automatic choice a lot of the time and everything else fell into place within that reality. Now you have three top teams in the East. Toronto should get equal coverage to Philly and Boston, but we get half what they get, for all the usual reasons. But we get twice what we did last season due to likely providing more quality games and interest within the Lebron vacuum than any other team behind the media favorites.
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moremilk
elT wrote:


No homecourt advantage in the finals?


You are making a common mistake, assuming we'd need 7 games to beat gsw - but we'll only need 4 :)
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moremilk
LX wrote:
A 59-win team, not on paper, is plenty good enough. The biggest factor is no Lebron. Now instead of Boston vs Cleveland or Philly vs Cleveland there are not an awful lot of options other than Toronto. Lebron was the automatic choice a lot of the time and everything else fell into place within that reality. Now you have three top teams in the East. Toronto should get equal coverage to Philly and Boston, but we get half what they get, for all the usual reasons. But we get twice what we did last season due to likely providing more quality games and interest within the Lebron vacuum than any other team behind the media favorites.


Last season there were also only 3 teams projected to be good enough, cleveland, Boston and Toronto ... Cleveland is no longer, but Philly has stepped up, so it's more or less a wash.

Last season nobody gave us any chance to get to the finals, not even most raptor fans thought we had a shot.

This year, most people agree we are , at the very least, a strong contender to get there - if not the favourite.

So it's probably a combination of things, having a top star, even a low key one, being a true title contender, and the change in offensive style last season - we were a LOT more fun to watch compared to past raptor teams.
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elT
moremilk wrote:


Last season there were also only 3 teams projected to be good enough, cleveland, Boston and Toronto ... Cleveland is no longer, but Philly has stepped up, so it's more or less a wash.

Last season nobody gave us any chance to get to the finals, not even most raptor fans thought we had a shot.

This year, most people agree we are , at the very least, a strong contender to get there - if not the favourite.

So it's probably a combination of things, having a top star, even a low key one, being a true title contender, and the change in offensive style last season - we were a LOT more fun to watch compared to past raptor teams.


Last year we were not projected anywhere near top three. Vegas had us bellow 50 wins, ESPN had us at 43. Wizards, Bucks were ranked ahead of us. Come on now, don't twist it.
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JeffB
@BlakeMurphy
Depending on whether you prefer over/under or a model projection as a baseline, Raptors have one of the easiest schedules in the league by quality of opponent. (Also bottom-7 in miles travelled and fewest B2B) https://t.co/bzE25dagY8
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Tommy C
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:
@BlakeMurphy
Depending on whether you prefer over/under or a model projection as a baseline, Raptors have one of the easiest schedules in the league by quality of opponent. (Also bottom-7 in miles travelled and fewest B2B) https://t.co/bzE25dagY8


Jinxed.
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moremilk

elT wrote:


Last year we were not projected anywhere near top three. Vegas had us bellow 50 wins, ESPN had us at 43. Wizards, Bucks were ranked ahead of us. Come on now, don't twist it.


we were projected to be top 3 by real people, vegas has nothing to do with anything as those are not real projections. The ESPN rankings always underestimate us, even Pelton says that every year.

Most people had us competing with the wizards for the 3rd spot, while some had the bucks in the running too. Indiana, Detroit, Miami, Philly - those were not even remotely on anybody's radar.

Dan's projections had us #1, personally, I predicted we'll win the east and most fans had us top 3, 4 at worse.

Maybe some people had the wizards or bucks ahead of us, but most didn't.

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elT
moremilk wrote:



we were projected to be top 3 by real people, vegas has nothing to do with anything as those are not real projections. The ESPN rankings always underestimate us, even Pelton says that every year.

Most people had us competing with the wizards for the 3rd spot, while some had the bucks in the running too. Indiana, Detroit, Miami, Philly - those were not even remotely on anybody's radar.

Dan's projections had us #1, personally, I predicted we'll win the east and most fans had us top 3, 4 at worse.

Maybe some people had the wizards or bucks ahead of us, but most didn't.



Vegas is good representation of perception. Perception and reality are not the same. Perception drives a lot when it comes to national TV games. Which is what we are talking about. I don't think anyone that makes those decisions cares about what hard core fans think. Hard core fans will watch as much games as possible no matter the TV station. Casual fans exist in much greater numbers so much greater that these things are tailored for them.

Perception last year was Raptors were borderline top four team. Some ranked us higher but most ranked us right there or lower. You also had LeBron, he gets as much slots as possible. Now that has changed. We won 59 and then got the best player in conference with some interesting subplots('is he healthy' - has been asked a billion time already, when that is answered, they'll ask 'is he staying' a trillion times). They gave more games to Sixers and Celtics but we got a solid part of vacuum. 

You've quickly forgotten how dismissive nearly everyone was of Raptors last year. Perception was we lost valuable veterans in CoJo, Carroll, Tucker and Patterson and had no players to replace them. CJ Miles was seen as an OK addition. Kevin McHales talked about how Wizards had a better bench because Kelly Oubre JR was somebody who can surprise, Raptors had nobody like that, CJ was already known producer. Poor Kevin.

The whole discussion is about Jeff's claim that the number of national TV games is due to Leonard. While that is a part of it, there's more to it, the biggest one probably being the vacuum LeBron left but also 5 years of success with #1 seed last year, super deep team, growth potential and adding Leonard on top of that. And than there Leonard's star factor.


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edki
more Jeff VanGundy and Mark Jackson instead of Leo and Matt.

Can Raptors convert one of the hockey commentators to replace Matt Devlin? Someone who can call ball movement and stats... I already know all Canadian towns.
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JeffB
edki wrote:
more Jeff VanGundy and Mark Jackson instead of Leo and Matt.

Can Raptors convert one of the hockey commentators to replace Matt Devlin? Someone who can call ball movement and stats... I already know all Canadian towns.


Please, no thanks on the last request.
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Ball Don't Lie
The best off season in Raptors history soon to be followed by the best season in Raptors history. 
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