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JeffB
Ball Don't Lie wrote:


If we lose to Boston and subsequently lose Kawhi, next year is going to be awful as a Raptors fan. This is crisis mode. We're all in this year. Either we hold and get to the finals, or get rivered and start over. 


I don't think that would be as awful as you think. Besides, it's not like Masai would tank. Kawhi is unlikely to stay either way.
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RockOnline
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


I don't think that would be as awful as you think. Besides, it's not like Masai would tank. Kawhi is unlikely to stay either way.


At least someone won't be let down if he doesn't! [cookiemonster]

If he does re-sign, I still don't see how we continue forward with Lowry past next year anyways. It should be interesting.
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elT
Ball Don't Lie wrote:


If we lose to Boston and subsequently lose Kawhi, next year is going to be awful as a Raptors fan. This is crisis mode. We're all in this year. Either we hold, get to the finals, and keep Kawhi, or get rivered and start over.



If that is how you are approaching it, then any and all pain is self inflicted.
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JeffB
RockOnline wrote:


At least someone won't be let down if he doesn't! [cookiemonster]

If he does re-sign, I still don't see how we continue forward with Lowry past next year anyways. It should be interesting.


Masai won't tank if he does leave. And whether he stays or not I think Kyle is gone in 6 months.
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Stihlman
RockOnline wrote:


At least someone won't be let down if he doesn't! [cookiemonster]

If he does re-sign, I still don't see how we continue forward with Lowry past next year anyways. It should be interesting.

That's where I think there grooming Freddy to be the go to guy going forward.
Don't know that much about basketball,but he seems to be the right guy to maybe step up when Kyle is gone,whether by trade or what not.
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LX
elT wrote:
Can't get oblong out of my head. What a great word. From now on, I'll refer to Kyrie Irving as oblong earth Stephon Marbury.


Ha! You’re freaking me out. It had to be right around the time you posted this, while I was watching the Celtics, that I was thinking Kyrie is maybe a couple of years away from going full Marbury.

At the same time I wonder if Marbury would maybe be wildly succesful in today’s game. Yes analytics - you have created the right conditions for vaseline-eating guards to never have to worry about being “put in a box”.
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JeffB
Stihlman wrote:

That's where I think there grooming Freddy to be the go to guy going forward.
Don't know that much about basketball,but he seems to be the right guy to maybe step up when Kyle is gone,whether by trade or what not.


Please no to Fred as the full time starter.
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moremilk
kyle hasn't been as good this year, there's no question about that. And, clearly, part of it is due to injuries. How big of a part is the key, and nobody knows that.

I definitely believe that if kyle doesn't have his best playoff ever, or close to, we're not going to make it to the finals, possibly even worse.

I have no concerns about kawhi and I'm kind of sure what we'll be getting from ibaka, siakam and green. Kyle is the joker - he can be awesome, or he can be terrible and everything in between.

Ultimately, let's hope this nightmare season of injuries will get better, it's ridiculous how many guys keep missing games, I don't think we had any games this year where all the rotation players have been healthy.
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elT

LX wrote:


Ha! You’re freaking me out. It had to be right around the time you posted this, while I was watching the Celtics, that I was thinking Kyrie is maybe a couple of years away from going full Marbury.

At the same time I wonder if Marbury would maybe be wildly succesful in today’s game. Yes analytics - you have created the right conditions for vaseline-eating guards to never have to worry about being “put in a box”.


Bill Simmons "hated" on Irving before and right after LeBron went back to Cleveland. He kept bringing up that comparison over and over and over again. And at that time it was bang on given all the losing with Cavs. Of course, Irving is a Celtic now and Simmons talks of him as amazing. But you can see how they compare, a ball dominant, score first, me first, all eyes on me guard. Irving, to his credit, has become a better player and does occasionally play defense and share the ball, doubt Marbury ever did any of those.

But with recent drama and his poor leadership and very public and repeated shitting on his younger teammates, Irving has reminded me of it again. That was very Marbury of him. Now we need him to say he is better than Curry or Harden the way Marbury said he is better than Kidd and everything will be perfectly balanced on the oblong planet.

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Northern Neighbour
Where's the anti-Lowry troll now? He probably should read this:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/kyle-lowry-proving-hes-important-raptor-time/
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3forthewin
For me Lowry goes down as the most important player the Raptors have had in franchise history. He has had so much to do with this amazing 6 year run. Like he said after game 7, blood sweat and tears. He's given this team so much and has been criticized a ton. 6 straight years of playoffs, 2 second round appearances and 2 Conf finals. Imagine 7 years ago someone saying that is what the next 6 Raptor seasons will look like.
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JeffB
3forthewin wrote:
For me Lowry goes down as the most important player the Raptors have had in franchise history. He has had so much to do with this amazing 6 year run. Like he said after game 7, blood sweat and tears. He's given this team so much and has been criticized a ton. 6 straight years of playoffs, 2 second round appearances and 2 Conf finals. Imagine 7 years ago someone saying that is what the next 6 Raptor seasons will look like.


He leads the playoffs in charges taken & deflections. He doesn't score like he used to, but he does so much on the floor to effect winning that I never understood how underappreciated he is by seemingly half of this fanbase.
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