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JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


This isn't the first time. It's happened pretty often this season where we don't play a lot of defense early in games. What does it say? Meh, who knows but I think if we don't look prepared it reflects poorly on Nurse. I mean, was the game in SA not a big game? Have we looked worse than that game this season?


But isn't that an argument that it has nothing to do with preparation? After all, if there's a game that nurse would prepare the hell out of, it would be the SAS and the Detroit games.

The general vibe I got all season was that the entire organization didn't take the the regular season all that seriously.

Whether that's true, right or wrong, I couldn't say. We'll find out soon enough I guess.
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Pzabby_2nd
Jakkal wrote:

Share some of the concerns about Nurse but no matter what he'd done up til now I'd probably still wouldn't be fully on board with him until he's shown it in the playoffs.

Some concerns about Kawhi and his continued games off even though he was cleared over a month ago. Somehow Lowry doesn't get any of the load management even though his chronic back issues seam more severe.

Totally undecided about the Gasol / JV trade. Gave up a lot of future for what so far seams like a downgrade this season.

Ton of concern over our bench. Not one of them have been even remotely consistent.

Then I look at how the Lakers are doing, and um yah... we're good. ;-)

 



What future? Delon is 27 or something no? And JV is what he is at this point, with maybe slight improvements expected. He wasn't going to be our starting center going forward, and is up for a contract renewal pretty soon.

We didn't lose anything we weren't going to give up soon anyway in my opinion.
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elT
moremilk wrote:


But isn't that an argument that it has nothing to do with preparation? After all, if there's a game that nurse would prepare the hell out of, it would be the SAS and the Detroit games.

The general vibe I got all season was that the entire organization didn't take the the regular season all that seriously.

Whether that's true, right or wrong, I couldn't say. We'll find out soon enough I guess.


I think they take regular season seriously just no in the same way fans do. There's zero need to chase top record or home court or point differential or any of that. There's every need to develop the team, stay healthy and be in position to success. Second best record in the league is a good position. Might be perfect if Pacers finish third.

Nurse has done a good job preparing the team for game at hand on a few occasions. Boston being the recent example. There's a lot of work there as his priority seems to be elsewhere. Not a fan of that at all or the experiments at this point. But as long as enough is done at right time we'll be fine.

Overall, I don't think the team has a hard on to prove anything in the regular season. Unlike the Bucks who are exorcising a lot from the past. Think that is the key difference there and I personally love it. We've done that part, it was great but priority now is elsewhere. 

I do imagine what this roster would like like under Pop though. That would be something else. I wonder if being laid back and not paying enough attention to certain details will end up biting Nurse and the team in the end. But we'll see, there aren't much options but waiting to see.
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Tommy C
moremilk wrote:


But isn't that an argument that it has nothing to do with preparation? After all, if there's a game that nurse would prepare the hell out of, it would be the SAS and the Detroit games.

The general vibe I got all season was that the entire organization didn't take the the regular season all that seriously.

Whether that's true, right or wrong, I couldn't say. We'll find out soon enough I guess.


The entire organization doesn’t take the regular season seriously? WTF?! I don’t believe this for a split second but if that would be a recipe for a disastrous post season if that’s the case.
I don’t believe in a switch the team and coach can just flip after game # 82 - ain’t happening.

In terms of prep work I’m not impressed with Nurse and the coaching staff but I’m not going to critize at this point but there is just too much experimentation in the air with players playing out of their usual roles and odd rotations. Leonard sitting out games of course doesn’t help either but the front office knew this and the risk involved so no one should complain about Leonard missing games due to load management. That was the Disclaimer part of the trade and some people just didn’t bother reading it.

Speaking of which, if Leonard needs his load management while Lowry, Green and Siakam are busting their balls, how do you think he will handle the first round when there is only one day rest between games and generally speaking, the games are much more intense?
Not going to speculate but there were question marks regarding his health in the summer and I tend to believe some sort of a chronic injury or some sort of degenerative condition might be the case.
So while he’s an All-Star I don’t see the same player he once was im San Antonio and his D hasn’t been elite this season.


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Northern Neighbour
When Milky says the team doesn't care about the regular season (and I agree with him), I think he means that they don't care much about seeding like they did in the past. They're not chasing regular-season records. Instead, the Raps are using the regular season to fine tune their game and peak at the right time. It's a change in mentality / philosophy for the club. 
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JeffB
Northern Neighbour wrote:
When Milky says the team doesn't care about the regular season (and I agree with him), I think he means that they don't care much about seeding like they did in the past. They're not chasing regular-season records. Instead, the Raps are using the regular season to fine tune their game and peak at the right time. It's a change in mentality / philosophy for the club. 


The team has said this in the past. "The only thing that matters is the playoffs" isn't a new mentality.
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deaner
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


The team has said this in the past. "The only thing that matters is the playoffs" isn't a new mentality.


That’s not entirely true. I think past teams have tried as hard as they can to tune their game and win in the regular season... diffference being that they don’t believe a regular season record is good enough. This current team has sacrificed a bit of the regular season for data and health to be used in the playoffs
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JeffB
deaner wrote:


That’s not entirely true. I think past teams have tried as hard as they can to tune their game and win in the regular season... diffference being that they don’t believe a regular season record is good enough. This current team has sacrificed a bit of the regular season for data and health to be used in the playoffs


Prior to last season yes, but last season Lowry, DeRozan were saying it didn't matter, that all that mattered was the playoffs. Fans were saying the same thing.
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Northern Neighbour
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Prior to last season yes, but last season Lowry, DeRozan were saying it didn't matter, that all that mattered was the playoffs. Fans were saying the same thing.


But last year's team was gunning for the #1 seed and they played and were coached in that manner. This year is far different with plenty of evidence - from "load management" to the numerous lineups Nurse has used. Injuries have played a role, but even early in the season the team treated games like it was the pre-season. 
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elT
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


The team has said this in the past. "The only thing that matters is the playoffs" isn't a new mentality.


They might have said it but sure as hell didn't behave like it. And Casey made a point of 'pouring it on' last year, meaning, extending leads no matter who is on the court, who we are playing, what is the score, how much time it is left. Much like what the Bucks are doing this year, inflating that point differential and padding team stats.
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JeffB
Northern Neighbour wrote:


But last year's team was gunning for the #1 seed and they played and were coached in that manner. This year is far different with plenty of evidence - from "load management" to the numerous lineups Nurse has used. Injuries have played a role, but even early in the season the team treated games like it was the pre-season. 


Lowry had quite a few "load management" nights last season. They wanted him healthy for the playoffs and they rested him and reduced his minutes overall. I think Ibkak and DeRozan did as well. This mentality started last season. It's even more so this season, for sure with this very veteran group. Either way, not worth arguing about.
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Jakkal

Pzabby_2nd wrote:


What future? Delon is 27 or something no? And JV is what he is at this point, with maybe slight improvements expected. He wasn't going to be our starting center going forward, and is up for a contract renewal pretty soon.

We didn't lose anything we weren't going to give up soon anyway in my opinion.


I didn't mention Delon and ya we gave up JV who isn't easily replaced since we won't have cap space any time soon to replace him unless Kawhi leaves as well in which case we have bigger issues. Sure theirs a chance JV opts out but it wasn't likely. I'm not saying it wasn't a good move if Gasol can perform, but he hasn't so far, so its looking like a suspect move at this point. Glad we dumped CJ though. 

 

 

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moremilk
Northern Neighbour wrote:
When Milky says the team doesn't care about the regular season (and I agree with him), I think he means that they don't care much about seeding like they did in the past. They're not chasing regular-season records. Instead, the Raps are using the regular season to fine tune their game and peak at the right time. It's a change in mentality / philosophy for the club. 


Essentially, I think the overarching goal that supersedes everything is keeping kawhi, and most would agree that making the finals is our best argument.

I'm not saying that we don't want to win every game, but it's pretty clear that at no point winning a particular game came at the expense of compromising the long term plan.

Case in point would be the last two games against Orlando and Detroit. We could easily have played kawhi in both, if we wanted to maximize our chances. They felt that the team without kawhi has a good shot at winning anyway, and they didn't play him.

About the only time when I think they compromised, was that Philly game when Kyle unexpectedly returned. And it turned out to be a terrible decision.
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LX
If you want one example of playing at a certain level in regular season games vs playing at a high level but saving yourself for the playoffs it has to come with Lowry. He just mostly seems incapable of saving himself. The dude was getting run over by Embiid and Lebron at full speed just to take a charge. His back acting up early on was a good thing in that respect. It made things crystal clear.

Now a team does need to play with a certain amount of energy and hustle, but in the past the Lowry mindset was what coursed through the veins of the whole organization. They won games based on pure grit and hustle. Not just here and there in the schedule, but every week. And then when that was matched in the playoffs, their somewhat worn bodies had it pretty tough. They are simply at a different level right now. They can play smart. They have the vets that can do that. And the young guys have enough under their belts to be able to do that some as well. It’s even a particular strength of Kyles. And now they can can up the energy and physicality if they need to when the playoffs start. They should be pretty fresh compared to other teams. 
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moremilk
JeffB_STR82DVD wrote:


Lowry had quite a few "load management" nights last season. They wanted him healthy for the playoffs and they rested him and reduced his minutes overall. I think Ibkak and DeRozan did as well. This mentality started last season. It's even more so this season, for sure with this very veteran group. Either way, not worth arguing about.


last season we were pretty smart about it - a lot of people got lots of rest, but it kind of felt like a directive from the top, because Casey would always put back the starters even when there was no need to. How often did we complain about running the risk of injury uselessly, when were up big with a few minutes to spare.

Nurse is a bit guilty of that too, but not to the same extent.

Maybe it's Nurse's laid back attitude, but the overall vibe I get this season is that nobody cares all that much about wins and losses - even bad ones.


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